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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland鈥檚 Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Pauline McNeill

Lynsey, there are so many tranches, and I suppose that the first tranche could be more than 100 prisoners. Is there a figure for that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland鈥檚 Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Pauline McNeill

So there will be national co-ordination.

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland鈥檚 Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Pauline McNeill

Lastly, I turn to Ian Bryce. The witnesses on the previous panel gave a number of reasons for our having such a high prison population, and they specifically mentioned that the Parole Board for Scotland had a low number of releases. Has that trend changed over the years?

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland鈥檚 Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Pauline McNeill

You pointed out to the committee that the risk is the same if prisoners are released 45 days earlier or whatever, but do you think that there would be an impact on prisoners who might otherwise have been on some kind of programme in the prison during that time?

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland鈥檚 Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Pauline McNeill

Notwithstanding what the prisons inspector has said about building more prisons, or building your way out of the crisis, has there been any discussion among governors about different ways of holding remand prisoners? I am thinking about the conditions that they are held in and the question of why they are not included in this.

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland鈥檚 Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Pauline McNeill

Wendy Sinclair-Gieben, remand prisoners are not covered by the legislation. I do not know whether, because of their status, there is some legal barrier in that respect. We are prepared in principle to release prisoners serving sentences in order to free up space, and we also have a sizeable remand population. Is there a way round that situation? When the cabinet secretary was asked to address that question, she said that she would look at it, but that does not appear to have happened. What is your view on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland鈥檚 Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Pauline McNeill

I think that that is true.

I noted what you said about the lack of engagement with Victim Support Scotland, which is concerning to me. What would Victim Support Scotland want to see in order to make the measures safe? I picked up the points about victim notification and all of that, and I think that Lynsey Smith said that there would be some filtering out of certain offenders because, even though they are in for one offence, they might have a relevant history of offending behaviour. Is there anything else that it would be helpful to do in relation to filtering people out in order to reduce risk?

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Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland鈥檚 Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Pauline McNeill

We are expecting up to 500 prisoners to be involved, so it could be quite a big number. Given what has been said, every victim should be notified, but, as Kate Wallace said, that will lead to anxiety for those victims, whether the risk to them is perceived or real. Do you think that it is possible to identify the support that every prisoner in the first tranche would need in order to make the public and victims feel safe?

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland鈥檚 Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Pauline McNeill

Will additional resource be required to do that? You said that the needs of every single person on that list will be assessed.

Criminal Justice Committee

Emergency Release of Prisoners and Other Key Challenges in Scotland鈥檚 Prisons

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Pauline McNeill

Co-ordination is important. All the intentions and services might be in place, but it is about their co-ordination. Do you think that oversight is also important? When the public hear that 500 prisoners are going to be released in four tranches, there will be a lot of concern about that. That concern could be satisfied by the knowledge that there will be oversight of each and every one. Should there be some kind of national Government oversight, given that prisoners are going to be dispersed across different local authorities? Would that be possible?