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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pauline McNeill

Chief Superintendent Paden, do you want to add anything?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pauline McNeill

Dr Steel, it seems that a significant resource would be required to create such a model, notwithstanding what you said about health boards in different parts of Scotland. Do you also agree that one of the reasons that the police pick up those cases is because they are the service of last resort and they work 24 hours, seven days a week, which a lot of services do not. Do you agree that we have to sort that situation in order to create the model?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pauline McNeill

You have answered it: the service would need to be 24/7 in order to capture those people. Otherwise, we will be back where we started—with the police.

My next question is for ACC Paton and Chief Superintendent Paden. The Scottish Police Federation’s evidence to the committee states:

“It is our view that this area of business is the single biggest inhibitor in operational officers across Scotland being able to carry out their core function”,

which is what I think that you were saying to the committee earlier. However, it also says:

“We have evidence that community triage teams are now pushing back on calls from Police Scotland due to a lack of capacity within their area of business.”

I suppose that that goes back to Ben Macpherson’s question. Police Scotland has to deal with the here and now, and the model that we are talking about seems quite a long way off. Do you want to comment on that, ACC Paton?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pauline McNeill

That is because such information would not normally be available, because the convictions are spent—I understand. I am trying to understand the purpose of the order so that I understand what it does. The SSI will make that information available slightly earlier and give more information in relation to the application for the relevant orders.

In your view, is it more likely that such orders would be granted if we legislate for the change? What is the purpose of the SSI? Why is the information needed earlier? Does having that information give the police, who obviously think that it is required, a better chance to get the application granted?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pauline McNeill

Thank you. That makes sense. There is a gap. I just wanted to be clear before we come to a conclusion. We always have to be careful about spent convictions—if they are included, it must be for a reason. I just wanted to be sure that what we are doing is proportionate, and I am satisfied about that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pauline McNeill

Right. I see.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pauline McNeill

You said “unspent convictions”. Does the order also include spent convictions for lower-tariff applications?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pauline McNeill

So, the SSI will make the process smoother. I ask for completeness: will the change to the process include information that was not previously given in relation to lower-tariff offences?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pauline McNeill

That is the confusing bit. You are saying that the issue is one of process—I understand that—but you specifically said that the new process will include lower-tariff offences, whereas it used to apply to higher-tariff offences only. That looks like a substantial change.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. I am trying to get my head around this. Do you mean that, prior to this SSI, extra information for lower-tariff applications has not been available?