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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Pauline McNeill

You are not alone in that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Pauline McNeill

It is just PIRC officers.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Pauline McNeill

Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. Liam Kerr asked questions about the budget. During the passage of the Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill you made clear your position on including the role of presenting cases against senior officers. Did you get a response from the Government after stage 1 and stage 2 about your concerns? We are voting on the bill today. Did you get any response?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Pauline McNeill

Finally, you mentioned the legal costs of the Sheku Bayoh case. Will you clarify for the committee whose legal costs you were referring to?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. I have found all the evidence enlightening and helpful, so thank you for all your evidence so far.

Dr Heyman, you started off by talking about the significant gaps in provision, particularly for those who were intoxicated. I was trying to tie that up with what Dr Steel was saying about the gap. Ben Macpherson referred to having a front-door service to deal with both things. What does that mean for the model that we are trying to create? I am familiar with many such cases, and I agree that, rightly or wrongly, the NHS will not take someone who is drunk, so the police are quite often left with them; otherwise, the person is in danger. Does the service that you are talking about creating deal with those types of cases?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pauline McNeill

Is that because you can tell that the number of calls has reduced?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pauline McNeill

Thank you—it was helpful to get that on the record.

In our session with the first panel of witnesses, I quoted the Scottish Police Federation, which said:

“We have evidence that community triage teams are now pushing back on calls from Police Scotland due to a lack of capacity within their area of business.”

I presume that you are aware of that. Is that part of the issue?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pauline McNeill

I agree. I, too, would like to see the evidence. However, that is a comment that has been made. I suppose that it is a case of matching up the aspiration with the reality that we are faced with. That is what we are all interested in.

In our session with the first panel, we heard about a model that involves providing another space where the police do not need to get involved, which sounds like the right model. That means that the police get their hours back and the vulnerable people concerned get the right service. However—Sharon Dowey and I have been pursuing this issue—although the NHS and the police work 24/7, not all services do that. Without that being the case, it will be difficult to achieve that model, because a lot of the calls that we are talking about will be made out of hours. I do not know what the numbers show.

I will quote from the letter from ASPS, if you do not mind, to illustrate how far away it thinks we are from that. It says:

“While these initiatives are universally well-intentioned and anecdotally benign in character, none of them has yet to have a systemic impact on the colossal demand felt by policing in Scotland.”

That is just the association’s version of where we are now. Do you want to respond to that?

12:30  

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Pauline McNeill

Good afternoon, cabinet secretary, and Lynsey McKean and Alastair Cook.

I want to go back to the central reasons why the committee has set time aside to conduct this important inquiry. We have had strong and encouraging evidence. I will quote from the letter from Association of Scottish Police Superintendents and I would like to hear your response to that. The letter refers to the cabinet secretary’s update letter of 8 August. The first thing that I picked out is probably accepted. The letter says:

“The central issue for policing at a strategic level is that there have been increasing societal issues around the prevalence of mental health and related vulnerabilities. This has led to a “mission-creep” from the core police mission, the demand from which today weighs upon police resources to such an extent that police performance in other areas is suffering badly.”

The recurring theme is the impact of those issues on policing our communities. That is why we are driving this work forward.

The letter from the ASPS also goes on to say:

“Unfortunately, there is nothing in the Cabinet Secretary’s letter to suggest that the Scottish Government truly understands the impact of Mental Health incidents on Police Scotland. It does not acknowledge either the negative impact on core policing functions or describe a need to alleviate the pressure on policing.”

I thought that that was pretty direct. Do you want to respond to that?