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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

BBC Scotland

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Jackie Baillie

I know.

Trust in the BBC is important to parliamentarians, but it is important to us as viewers, too. Let me take you to the “River City” workplace meeting of 18 March, where the clear impression was given to staff that one reason for ending the show was that the site lease would end in 2026, with no option to renew. I have a recording of that meeting and I have a transcript that I am happy to share with the committee. At 3 minutes and 57 seconds, Gavin Smith said:

“The site lease comes to an end next year without the option to renew. This is a clear obstacle and it’s inevitably prompted a decision to be made.”

11:15  

At 4 minutes and 25 seconds, when he was speaking about the prospect of relocating, Gavin Smith said:

“It would ... mean significant additional investment for rebuilds.”

Counting in the rebuilding of the set was part of the decision to halt “River City”, as it would have inflated the cost. There was no need to rebuild if you could have continued on site.

When she was asked specifically by a member of staff whether it was the landlord’s decision or BBC Scotland’s decision, Louise Thornton said, at 7 minutes and 35 seconds:

“So it’s our understanding that there isn’t an option to renew the lease, that it’s come to an end ... And so when we were looking at all the options, that wasn’t on the table”.

Why did the BBC tell the cast and the crew that the lease could not be renewed? That was clearly not the case—I have spoken to the landlord. Why did the BBC seek to deliberately mislead the cast and the crew of “River City”?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

BBC Scotland

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Jackie Baillie

Can I deal with that point, which is important? RAAC has been known about on site for more than a year, and nothing has been done—you have carried on with production. It is in an insignificant part of the site, and the position is stable.

This is a red herring. I invite you to address the issue rather than hiding behind RAAC.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

BBC Scotland

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Jackie Baillie

They think that you misled them. They cannot all have got it wrong. Thank you, convener.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

BBC Scotland

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Jackie Baillie

I should say for the record that, if you had more politicians on your podcasts, I am not sure what that would do for viewing figures.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

BBC Scotland

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Jackie Baillie

Yes, but where did that come from?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

BBC Scotland

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Jackie Baillie

That is a different argument, and I would respect that argument if it had been advanced at the meeting on 18 March. Instead, cast and crew members were misled about the basis for the reasoning. In the transcript, the option to remain was not on the table at all—it was not considered.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

BBC Scotland

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Jackie Baillie

No, and indeed that is an argument that you could advance, but I am specifically addressing the fact that you misled cast and crew members. The option to renew the lease was clearly available to you; you chose not to renew, and there were diversionary tactics to blame the landlord. Just fess up to it—just be honest with people.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

BBC Scotland

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jackie Baillie

Convener, I have one last request of you. Would the committee consider a visit to “River City”, so that you can see the scale of the operation and the ecosystem that supports it? Who knows? Patrick Harvie might get a walk-on part as many Dumbarton residents have done in their time. I would commend that to the committee.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

BBC Scotland

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jackie Baillie

Clearly, convener, it was the case—this is from the landlord’s own mouth—that there was no intention to end the lease, so it is very disappointing that that impression was given.

I will move on to the slightly wider issue of the production facilities at Dumbarton. It is not just “River City” that will end; all production will cease at Dumbarton as the lease is given up. The BBC seems to think that it can manage without permanent production facilities in Scotland, and it will not be permanently replacing the capacity that was afforded by the studios at Dumbarton. What do you think are the implications of that decision?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

BBC Scotland

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Jackie Baillie

I have a confession. I am not just the MSP for Dumbarton; I feel as if I am the de facto MSP for Shieldinch as well.

I had the benefit of speaking directly to the landlord because I knew who they were. To suggest that they were surprised that BBC Scotland indicated that it wanted to leave would perhaps be an understatement. They were expecting the lease to be renewed and had no plans to do anything other than to continue the lease. For whatever reason, it appears that the BBC was happy to have people believe that the decision was down to the actions of the landlord and not one that it made itself, which, frankly, is simply not true. Why do you think that it did that? Paul, do you want to go first?