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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 August 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

Actually, convener, can I come in later with question 17? I think that my supplementary question relates to that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

So, it is purely about that flexibility.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

Minister, you are right to say that there is a fair bit of good will out there at the moment. However—and this follows on from Mark Ruskell’s question—we have heard in evidence that there is a bit of uncertainty about the vagueness of the phrase “nature restoration”. How do you intend the guidance to give clarity about what that means and in what circumstances it might be used?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

My understanding of the bill is that NatureScot must “have regard to” the code of practice. There have been some queries about whether that is a fair or strong enough term. What are your thoughts on that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

If stakeholders do not feel that that is the case, why would you not consider slightly strengthening that wording in the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

It is important to place on record that you foresee that dialogue and that relationship happening. You have already said as much, but I just want the point to be clarified.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

I have a final question, because I know that we need to move on.

I accept that point but, as I said in connection with the REACH example, which SPICe helpfully pointed out, there are other methods of doing that that do not specifically involve non-regression.

That takes me back to the question that I asked a second ago. It will be unhelpful if we do not talk about this again until all the amendments come flying in at stage 2. I presume that, over the coming weeks, you will have a discussion with your team about how you can widen the approach—I do not know whether you have had that conversation yet. I think that, based on the evidence that we have taken, that is what we are generally looking for. If you can come back to the committee with information about what you could do, that would be useful, because it would give us time to think about it.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

I am conscious of the time, but I want to quickly touch on an issue. My understanding is that, if there is a control scheme in place, it is registered against the title to the land. We have heard in evidence that that could potentially create a burden on the land, which would transfer if it were sold. Have you given any thought to the potential effects on land value and marketability?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

Rather than go down the non-regression route, REACH offers a slightly different route, which has a very clearly defined scope for the core aims and protected provisions and how the powers can be used. What is your current thinking about how you might adapt that part of the bill to better reflect the evidence that we have heard?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

Good morning. I want to go back to Evelyn Tweed’s point about the duty on public bodies. Something that was just expressed and which has been picked up on a lot in evidence is that the duty has just not worked—it has not been taken forward in the way that we wanted.

I am conscious—I think that this is hot off the press—that the Environment (Principles, Governance and Biodiversity Targets) (Wales) Bill has recently been introduced. That bill has some interesting ideas about how—I have written it down—the Welsh Government will create a statement that will inform public bodies how they have to comply with the duty. The bill will give the Welsh Government the power to designate a public body to meet a particular target, impact, or whatever it might be. Did you have any cross-Government discussions with the Welsh Government on what it is doing? Are those things that you might consider doing here, in Scotland?