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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

Sorry. My problem is that I skipped a question because you brought me in earlier, convener, on question 8. I retract the question that I asked and will come back to it in about an hour’s time.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

Cabinet secretary, I appreciate your offer for anyone to come and talk to you at any time. I am sure that we will all work on amendments for stage 2, but, ahead of that, what are we learning? As a Government, what are you seeing in some of the ENGOs and others’ responses about the powers as they are laid out in the bill?

There has been quite a lot of talk about non-regression. The Scottish Parliament information centre quite helpfully pointed out that there is something called the registration, evaluation, authorisation and restriction of chemicals regulations. I do not know if you are familiar with those changes to chemical regulations.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

I have a final question, because I know that we need to move on.

I accept that point but, as I said in connection with the REACH example, which SPICe helpfully pointed out, there are other methods of doing that that do not specifically involve non-regression.

That takes me back to the question that I asked a second ago. It will be unhelpful if we do not talk about this again until all the amendments come flying in at stage 2. I presume that, over the coming weeks, you will have a discussion with your team about how you can widen the approach—I do not know whether you have had that conversation yet. I think that, based on the evidence that we have taken, that is what we are generally looking for. If you can come back to the committee with information about what you could do, that would be useful, because it would give us time to think about it.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

Good morning, minister. I have a quick question on reviews of compliance with the code of practice. As I understand it, the bill sets out that the Scottish Government can request a review at any point. In what circumstances do you foresee that happening?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

Good morning. I want to go back to Evelyn Tweed’s point about the duty on public bodies. Something that was just expressed and which has been picked up on a lot in evidence is that the duty has just not worked—it has not been taken forward in the way that we wanted.

I am conscious—I think that this is hot off the press—that the Environment (Principles, Governance and Biodiversity Targets) (Wales) Bill has recently been introduced. That bill has some interesting ideas about how—I have written it down—the Welsh Government will create a statement that will inform public bodies how they have to comply with the duty. The bill will give the Welsh Government the power to designate a public body to meet a particular target, impact, or whatever it might be. Did you have any cross-Government discussions with the Welsh Government on what it is doing? Are those things that you might consider doing here, in Scotland?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

Is the intention to feed that into the code of practice?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

I am thinking about the risk.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

You talked earlier about good will—and I will come back to that, because I think that you do have good will—but there is a risk that things such as nature restoration or vague terms such as “have regard to” risk undermining it.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

If stakeholders do not feel that that is the case, why would you not consider slightly strengthening that wording in the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Tim Eagle

It is important to place on record that you foresee that dialogue and that relationship happening. You have already said as much, but I just want to the point to be clarified.