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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Tim Eagle

What was not there previously? You are right that any council or local person could have fed into a national park plan through a consultation process, so why is the change necessary?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Tim Eagle

Thank you all for your interesting answers—the subject came up significantly in committee last week and I want to be clear in my mind that, by not allowing powers, we are not restricting what we need to do for biodiversity, climate change and so on. I do not think that any of us would want to see that.

My main question was going to be on the purposes for which the regulations could be changed but, to be absolutely clear, do all of you agree that it is not about the purposes that are set out in the policy memorandum but about the fact that, fundamentally, the power should not be there? Does that make sense? Dan, you mentioned the various purposes that the Government sets out in the policy memorandum, such as ensuring consistency or compatibility with other legal regimes or taking account of changes in technology and so on, but would you not add to or amend those purposes?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Tim Eagle

Let us go back to the points that Bruce Wilson and Nick Hesford made. My worry—which the convener picked up on, too—is that the aspect that we are discussing is listed in subsection (2)(f), which talks about the local community and the economic development of national parks. One of the early criticisms when the bill was published was about the fact that a national park is surely at its best when we recognise the people who live and work within it and the fact that, although the aims are not listed in order of priority, when people see a list, they automatically think, “We’re down at the bottom, so all the other stuff is more important.”

Are you concerned about that at all? You mentioned the Sandford principle. I may not know it well enough, but the principle is that conservation will take priority over public enjoyment of the park, is it not?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Tim Eagle

They are in the first four.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Tim Eagle

Fair enough.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Tim Eagle

The policy memorandum highlights things such as forestry and offshore and onshore wind. There is the ability to change specific things within the habitats regulations, such as the broader concept of climate change. I think that I agree with you, but I am just playing devil’s advocate. Is that not what the Scottish Government is trying to do—to give it that power? If it wanted that, what would be the backstop? How could you secure that? Should we remove part 2 in its entirety, or could there be a risk in doing that? What would be the backstop if we were to leave in part 2?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Tim Eagle

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Tim Eagle

If they are not ranked, it would not matter if we moved them around a bit.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Tim Eagle

This morning, we have been driving at that bigger picture. You cannot do things in isolation; it is about having a collaborative approach over whole landscapes.

I will move on to my next question. Through the bill, the Scottish Government is taking a delegated power and saying, “We can have full control over this through secondary legislation.” Framework legislation is a nightmare because, on the one hand, it is adaptable, you can easily move things behind the scenes and you can respond quickly, but it also brings problems economically, because businesses have no certainty over how things might change over time. Do you have any thoughts on whether that power in the bill is necessary?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Tim Eagle

Good morning, and thank you for your answers so far. We have slightly touched on this point already, but I was looking at the English report that came out about sites of special scientific interest and SPAs and I noted that more and more of them are in an unfavourable condition. These are important pieces of legislation that are designed specifically to target species, whatever the impact on the wider landscape, but is there is a problem there? In relation to this bill, what are we looking at?

My second question will be about the devolved power, but, first, what is causing that problem and what can we do in this bill? I presume that the situation in Scotland is similar.