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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

That is helpful. I will bring in Lynne Binnie and then Kerry Drinnan.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

That has been helpful. Thank you.

I am going to change tack a bit. One of the impacts of the pandemic was on attendance. Education Scotland has published a deep dive into issues around attendance, and one of the groups that were reported as being most vulnerable to low attendance was pupils with additional support needs. What are local authorities doing to support children and young people who continue to be anxious about attending school? What are the challenges of developing teaching and learning in a curriculum that is flexible to meet the needs of all learners?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

Thank you. We will move to questions from Ross Greer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

Good morning, and welcome to the ninth meeting of the Education, Children and Young People Committee in 2024. Our first item of business is consideration of the additional support for learning inquiry. This is the fourth formal session on the inquiry, which will consider how the Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Act 2004 has been implemented and how it is working in practice, 20 years on from being enacted.

We will hear from two panels of witnesses. We will focus on three themes throughout the inquiry: the implementation of the presumption of mainstreaming, the impact of Covid-19 on additional support for learning and the use of remedies as set out in the act. Today, we will focus mainly on the first and third themes, but I am sure that we will touch on the second theme as well.

On the first panel, I welcome Megan Farr, policy officer for the Children and Young People鈥檚 Commissioner Scotland; David Mackay, head of policy, projects and participation for Children in Scotland; Marie Harrison, senior policy officer for My Rights, My Say, Children in Scotland; and Chloe Minto, senior solicitor from Govan Law Centre. Thank you for coming, and thank you for the written submissions that you provided ahead of the meeting.

I will move straight to questions from members.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

The conversations will be extensive throughout the day, so I can assure you that some of the threads will be picked up later on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

We have spoken a little about the presumption of mainstreaming. In that context, I am trying to figure out, and I have some questions about the role of specialist school settings in our system. We heard from Matthew Cavanagh of the Scottish Secondary Teachers Association that teachers in such settings have a real opportunity and a

鈥済reater ability to meet the needs of individual pupils, whom they know better.鈥濃擺Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 21 February 2024; c 6.]

In your view, what role might those specialist settings play in the presumption of mainstreaming? What are the criteria for when a specialist setting is appropriate, and are those criteria understood and consistently applied? Perhaps Marie Harrison would like to come in first, as she caught my eye.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

We will have questions about buildings later on, so I am straying into other areas.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

I am trying to drill down into that to find out whether there are specific criteria. I know that it sounds a bit brutal to talk about our young people in that way, but what are the criteria for when a specialist setting is appropriate?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

The conflict between corporate parent and employer is what Ruth Maguire鈥檚 question was about.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

I invite Ross Greer to ask his questions.