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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

Thank you for making that point, which we will look into again.

I thank everybody for their evidence. I suspend the meeting for 15 minutes to allow our witnesses to leave and our second panel of witnesses to come in.

10:37 Meeting suspended.  

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

I welcome our second panel. Dr Lynne Binnie is chair of the ASN network at the Association of Directors of Education in Scotland—which, for people who are tuning in, we will probably abbreviate to ADES throughout the meeting; Antony Clark is executive director of performance audit and best value at Audit Scotland; Nicola Dickie is director of people policy at the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities; Kerry Drinnan is education service manager for additional support needs inclusion at Falkirk Council; and Vivienne Sutherland is the principal psychologist at Fife Council’s educational psychology service. Welcome, and thank you for giving up your time and coming along this morning and for the written submissions that you provided ahead of the meeting, which have been very helpful.

We move directly to questions from members.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

May I bring in Bill Kidd before you move on to your next question?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

For the benefit of those listening, I note that SEF and PEF are, respectively, strategic equity funds and pupil equity funds. We are in a world of jargon, so I am just making that clear.

Ruth Maguire will ask the next questions.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

Would Vivienne Sutherland or Kerry Drinnan like to comment on adaptations to existing buildings in their local authority areas? You do not need to comment if you do not wish to say anything.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

Please do.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

That is helpful. I will bring in Lynne Binnie and then Kerry Drinnan.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

That has been helpful. Thank you.

I am going to change tack a bit. One of the impacts of the pandemic was on attendance. Education Scotland has published a deep dive into issues around attendance, and one of the groups that were reported as being most vulnerable to low attendance was pupils with additional support needs. What are local authorities doing to support children and young people who continue to be anxious about attending school? What are the challenges of developing teaching and learning in a curriculum that is flexible to meet the needs of all learners?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Sue Webber

Thank you. We will move to questions from Ross Greer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Sue Webber

Good morning, and welcome to the eighth meeting of the Education, Children and Young People Committee in 2024. We have received apologies from Michelle Thomson.

Our first item of business is consideration of a Scottish statutory instrument under the negative procedure. The regulations make several amendments to the Education (Scotland) Act 1980 and will increase the current maximum annual income level for eligibility for free school meals from £8,717 to £9,552 to take account of the forthcoming increase to the national living wage from 1 April 2024.

Do members wish to make any comments about the regulations?