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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Sue Webber

We move on to questions from Ross Greer that I hope will dive into that theme a little more.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Sue Webber

I think that Clair Henderson wants to come in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Sue Webber

Thank you for the discussion on that theme. I will bring in Bill Kidd.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Sue Webber

Certainly, much has moved on in terms of what schools are doing. As you said, cabinet secretary, they stepped up in the pandemic and are continuing to provide many of the services that were provided by health and social care partners in the past.

I will bring in Pam Duncan-Glancy.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Sue Webber

Does Clair Henderson want to come in on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Sue Webber

I am well aware of the avenue that Mr Macpherson was going down there, so I will leave that with him.

Thank you, cabinet secretary, for your helpful comment about your forthcoming ASL action plan update, which will perhaps co-ordinate with ours. That is helpful with regard to how we move forward our work plan.

To finish, we have a supplementary question from Willie Rennie.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Sue Webber

Thank you, cabinet secretary. We now move to questions from members. I call Liam Kerr to kick off.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Sue Webber

That was quite a succinct response. I hope that Michelle Thomson is online now, as she will ask the next questions.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Sue Webber

Cabinet secretary, you said that no one would disagree with the presumption of mainstreaming and the drive for inclusion, and you mentioned the tribunal. However, in written evidence to the committee, the tribunal challenged that view, saying that

“An inclusive education for those who have additional support needs would be best served by the removal of a bias in favour of a particular type of educationâ€â€”

on the assumption that that is mainstreaming—and that

“A bias of this type is the reverse of an inclusive approach.â€

What are your thoughts on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Sue Webber

The ASN tribunal also argued that the presumption of mainstreaming should not be grounds for refusing a placing request. Equally, however, Matthew Cavanagh, who is from a specialist school, stated that a specialist setting would often best suit a child. Much of my casework on the topic is about placing requests, when the local authorities that are making the decisions have not even met or engaged with the young person. What are your thoughts on that?