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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Sue Webber

Whether they have a vote is irrelevant. Young people deserve to have someone to act as their voice in here, regardless of that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Sue Webber

The role of the Children and Young People’s Commissioner is specifically to give voices to young people, which is something that the Government makes assumptions about. The other week, when the commissioner was giving evidence to us, some of our questions about the challenges were about what we presumed to be important, but she kept bringing us back to the point that she was there to make representations on what the young people had said. She was quite clear in reinforcing that argument. The assumptions that we make about the challenges that young people face today—and all these things—can be quite sweeping sometimes.

Going back to budgets and the spend, you may struggle to pinpoint the value added—it is a fine balance—but there is potentially the chance to be a little bit more critical about some of the more tangible things like spending on travel and ancillary items.

Part of the commissioner’s evidence—as a committee, we hear far too often about this—was about the massive implementation gap that exists between policy and what happens on the ground. The evidence outlines that the creation of another body or person to champion the needs of a specific group appears to be a reaction to ineffective policy implementation and a lack of access to justice.

We need to be mindful about how we proceed, with the potential for exponential growth in the number of commissioners or in their budgets.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Sue Webber

I am here as the convener of the Education, Children and Young People Committee, and I am struggling not to give my party’s view—but thank you for your question. I will leave it there.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Sue Webber

Okay! [Laughter.] It was also interesting to learn about her new and innovative ways of engaging with young people to make sure that she was hearing their voices. I am fortunate enough that a couple of members of this committee were part of that evidence taking and I know that they will reinforce that.

The commissioner’s powers are being expanded later this year with the incorporation of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child. We will be able to gauge her powers of having some influence across the community.

Other than that, our scrutiny will be based mainly on the evidence that the commissioner’s office shares with us, aligned to our other programmes of work on legislation, including evidence on bills, and inquiries that we are working on. That is where we are.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Sue Webber

They do, but disabled young people are covered by the Children and Young People’s Commissioner. As I said previously, the children’s commissioner is for every young person, whether able-bodied or disabled.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Sue Webber

I am not certain that the commissioner spoke an awful lot about that specifically to us, because the evidence was about her strategy going forward. She was taking a new approach. In the past, you have heard about the gaps in keeping the Promise and how care-experienced young people still feel let down. We had an informal session with them and we heard some quite critical voices. It is the role of the commissioner to champion those voices as well.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Sue Webber

Do you want to go first, Martin, while I have a think?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Sue Webber

It is difficult because everything that the commissioner generally does is more subjective, which is why we were so keen to learn about that accountability tracker. You will know that, in terms of challenging her budget, there is a split in roles and responsibilities. As a committee, we take assurance that her role in coming in with a balanced budget is scrutinised adequately elsewhere within the parliamentary process—that is, by the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body. Apologies if I have that wrong.

The key performance indicators that we hear about so much—perhaps when we challenge Government ministers—are not quite as relevant to the children’s commissioner role. We have to be a bit more subjective in doing that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Sue Webber

You talked about wanting “more impact” just now; I am trying to figure out what you mean by that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Sue Webber

Obviously, there will be some questions specifically about Gaelic and there will be some specifically about Scots, but if anyone wants to come in after a question has been directed to someone specific, please catch my eye. We have a lot to juggle because of the hybrid nature of today’s meeting.

We will move on to questions from Ruth Maguire.