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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

Good morning, and welcome to the 25th meeting in 2022 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. Our first item of business is an evidence session with local authority representatives on funding for early learning and childcare. The session will inform our pre-budget scrutiny.

I welcome Margot Black, early years manager in the children and young people service, and Kirsty Maxwell, finance business partner for education and lifelong learning, finance and corporate governance, who are both from Scottish Borders Council; Wendy Brownlie, head of education performance and improvement at Argyll and Bute Council; and Carrie Lindsay, executive director of education and children鈥檚 services, and Stewart Westwater, quality improvement officer for early years, who are both from Fife Council.

I have a bit of housekeeping before we begin. We are having a hybrid meeting today, with all our witnesses participating virtually. I have asked committee members to address their questions to a particular witness or witnesses. However, other witnesses might wish to respond to the question, so I ask that witness to put an R in the chat box if they wish to speak. The clerks will be monitoring the chat box more than I will be, and we will bring people in when we can. I reassure the witnesses that it is not necessary to respond to every question. If you do not think that you have anything to add on a particular question, that is fine鈥攑lease just let us know. If you are asked a question but do not have the information to hand, it is okay to say that. You will have the option to follow up in writing after the meeting.

We will crack on with the session. The first questions are from my colleague Graeme Dey.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

I think that Ruth has a further question, first, to clarify something, and then we can follow that up.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

Wendy Brownlie is keen to come in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

It is great to hear that that cross-border work is happening in Argyll and Bute. Once again, however, it is the local authorities that are taking the lead in managing that. Carrie Lindsay mentioned how complex that approach might be for City of Edinburgh Council, given all the different local authority areas that people come in from, and the volumes that are involved.

Would things work more effectively if parents were in control of the funding, perhaps through a voucher system? Should they have the agency to choose where and how the hours are delivered, rather than that being under the control of the local authorities?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

I have dealt with the local authority with regard to families that are trying to get their child a funded space in my city. Perhaps it is an Edinburgh thing, but the complexity that the families have to face in doing that is quite an embarrassment. I have lots of families that have nothing at the moment because there is no flexibility.

We will move on to some questions from Willie Rennie.

10:00  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

Margot Black wants to contribute, too.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

Does that make sense? It might be challenging to ask that, but we want to know what they are saying to you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

Michael, I am mindful of our audience today, and you have progressed a bit further with your questions than we wanted to. I know that there are colleagues who wanted to ask other questions before you moved on to the next issue.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

It was about how you evaluate and improve your services continuously.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

I am looking around to see whether anyone else wishes to contribute. I welcome the conversation that we have had. It should be easy to bring us all together on what the next steps should be.