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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

It seems that the answer will not be on that, so we will move to questions from Ross Greer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

That is fine. We move to questions from Bob Doris.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

I doubt that this is possible, but I must ask for a really concise answer to that question. I am looking at the clock, and there are a number of other themes that we need to follow up on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

The figures might be there, but Michelle Thomson—one of your own members—said that she felt that you might be

“under pressure ... of timescales ... to deliver”

on the bill, but that from the

“perspective of financial scrutiny,”

she was looking at

“a blank cheque. That is deeply worrying in respect of the public purse.”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 25 October 2022; c 16.]

That is the point that we are trying to get over here. Right now, there are significant pressures across budgets, so is this the right time to be doing it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

I think, Mr Stewart, that an extra ÂŁ1.5 billion is coming to the Scottish Government.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

Ruth Maguire has another question, which might delve down a bit deeper.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

Mr Rennie has a supplementary question on that theme.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

We have heard a lot about a phased approach, but we have not been given a timescale as to how long it may take for the big new organisation to be embedded. We heard from Mike Burns of Social Work Scotland that culture change can take

“five, 10 or 15 years.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 9 November 2022; c 20.]

Mr Stewart, you mentioned earlier that legislation and regulation do not bring about a change in culture. Given that it has taken so long for the integration legislation to get to this point, and it still has problems, do you think that all these years of change and adjustment are worth it? Should we not be focusing here and now on what we can improve on now?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

Thank you, Mr Stewart—we have had some informal sessions with service delivery organisations, albeit from the voluntary sector, so we are aware of that.

We have a final question from Willie Rennie.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

I thank you all for your time today. The public part of our meeting is now an end, and we will consider our final agenda items in private.

11:12 Meeting continued in private until 11:58.