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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 December 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Is there a challenge in introducing the petition and in the subsequent regional poll such that the number of electoral methods that are being used in Scotland gets to a point at which fewer people than are sitting in this room understand them all? You have set out the need for strong communication based on a system that is as simple to understand as possible. From an administrative point of view鈥擨 recognise the evidence that you have given about the cost, but let us put that to one side鈥攊s it a step too far to bring yet another electoral system into Scotland?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

I appreciate that.

Let me just push at this issue. The four-week period makes sense, and I think that the reality is that, in all but one of the examples of the UK-wide petition examples that we can look at, the threshold was reached very early on. Should a petition close at that stage? Is there any value in its running on?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

The votes of the 60 per cent of people who go the other way.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

My follow-up question is on the fact that we have heard the petition described as an electoral event rather than an election. Should we give strong credence to the risk that, if you turn up at a venue, others will be able to identify the view that you will express?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

For clarification, with regard to the petition, the information is the simple number of people who have signed that day. Yes, there will be a collation of the hard data, for other purposes, but the feedback is not the same as for an election, in which a count has to take place. For a petition, it is simply one person to count and a second person to certify the number on the list. That is helpful to know.

I will turn to Emma Roddick to lead on the next area, which the committee has had an interesting discussion about.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Therefore, we should have confidence in human rights legislation, under which this is a balancing act. It is about the minimum amount of information that needs to be held, accessed and viewed for us to come to a conclusion.

You might say that this is a policy decision, but should we have a test, and should that be on the balance of probability or should it be beyond reasonable doubt? Whoever makes the decision, at what level do you think the balance should be set?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

When we have a general election or a Scotland-wide election, such as the Holyrood election that is coming next year, it happens because it is required. Is your note about proportionality in respect of the fact that, when we talk about recalling members from a list representing a region, the cost could be exercised across a very large geographic region, such as your Highlands and Islands example?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

That is helpful. Graham, do you have any questions for Sarah Mackie before we move on?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the seventh meeting in 2025 of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee. I have received apologies from Ruth Maguire, and I welcome Rona Mackay as her substitute.

Our first agenda item is a decision on taking business in private. Item 3 is consideration of the evidence that we are about to hear from two panels on a member鈥檚 bill. Item 4 is consideration of correspondence that we have received from another committee. Is the committee happy to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Our second agenda item is the committee鈥檚 first oral evidence session on the Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill. I welcome Malcolm Burr, convener of the Electoral Management Board for Scotland, Robert Nicol, chair of the election registration committee of the Scottish Assessors Association, and Peter Stanyon, chief executive of the Association of Electoral Administrators. I also welcome Graham Simpson MSP, who is the member in charge of the bill. Good morning, all.

I will move straight to questions to allow committee members to explore the bill. If Mr Simpson has any questions, I will bring him in at appropriate moments to seek clarification. I say to our witnesses that you should not feel that you have to answer all the questions, but please feel free to make any contribution that you want to make.

I will kick off with a question on the general principles of the bill that seeks your views on recall mechanisms. The evidence that we have received included differing views on whether it should simply be a matter of policy that a recall provision should exist and on alternatives to the bill鈥檚 proposals on what should happen when people feel that members of Parliament whom they have elected should not continue to represent them. My opening question is this: are there alternative processes that we should perhaps consider?

I do not know whether anyone wants to kick off on that. If not, I will pick on Malcolm Burr.