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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 December 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

I was not suggesting that you do—my apologies if you took it that way. You obviously take account of all the responses that you get. The process is slightly dark, so the public do not see how an individual response can essentially lead to small changes, but it can do, as you said.

Moving forward, one challenge is that the public are the group of people who genuinely need to have confidence in the system—we can use the population or the electorate, and an interesting discussion is to be had about that. Rightly, we are the last Parliament in Europe that still involves itself only to an extent and we step away from the process, and so there must be public confidence that, first, the process is understandable; secondly, they can see what their influence is; and, thirdly, even if the result disagrees with what they want, they understand why it has been reached.

13:45  

You commented on the adversarial nature of inquiries and how everyone shoves the problem on to somebody else, and you are the people who are actually having to do that. Edinburgh is a classic example of just moving it around the wheel, with everyone complaining. The rules for the inquiry process are here, in essence, whereas the four rules and the regional rules sit within the Scotland Act 1998, so they are much harder to change from our point of view.

However, the trigger for an inquiry sits with Boundaries Scotland, does it not? Well, not quite with you, but a more co-operative and solution-focused public inquiry could be looked at, as you say.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

Again, on the timings of the inquiries, you tended to have them in two sessions, in the daytime and in the evening, which is sensible, but again, the day of the week that they were held was inconvenient for a number of people. It is easy to find reasons why something is not working, but from looking at the way in which the inquiries are conducted and the expectations on individuals who spoke at the inquiries that I was aware of, I know that they were not professional witnesses and they were not sure what to expect. The good thing was that, at the end of it, a lot of them were amazed at how nice the experience had been and how it was not adversarial.

However, there is a perception about the word “inquiry” across Scotland that is perhaps not the most positive, and people were extremely concerned about interacting with an inquiry. Again, I wonder whether the system that you described that you would like to move to would answer the challenges that came out of some inquiries and the subsequent inquiries that had to happen before they become challenges.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

Absolutely. That is the document that we are looking at. I absolutely accept that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

Would you welcome that? Would you like to consider that?

A consultation is going on, so, to be fair, perhaps that question is best left until after the consultation is finished.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

You are presented with a jigsaw without a reference picture; I fully appreciate that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

Yes—I see the sense in it now.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

Will those lessons learned be a public document?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

Excellent. My next question is a mischievous one: is it the map or the description that is the final arbiter of the new constituencies and regions? Which is the governing part—your maps or the written descriptions in your paper that sit with the Government?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

There is an open invite to you for the right moment.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

And the unknown unknowns.