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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

I certainly think that that is helpful and, of course, having, in essence, granted the proxy in the first place, the Presiding Officer will be aware of that.

I hear what you say about stage 3 proceedings but, despite the chaos that sometimes ensues when we have problems with the voting apps—even in the chamber, if members happen to be in one of those down spots—a very small number of points of order are made, even during stage 3 proceedings, so I am not sure that it is a massive inconvenience.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

I agree with you about the use of any statutory definition of time in relation to holding a proxy vote for parental leave. I wonder whether it comes to how long the proxy should exist for. Are we looking at a period of time? It could be that, once a member has a proxy, all proxies last for the same period, albeit with flexibility on an individual basis, which we have talked about, as well as the opportunity for it to be extended—subject to the consent of the PO, who grants the right for the proxy in the chamber. Bob, would that give you more comfort than trying to define it into a statutory—

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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

I think that you are right that, during the trial period, the committee would welcome the evidence and opinions that come out and the views that members have. In that way, when the committee comes to review whether to continue the temporary rule change, that can be taken into account. We will need some flexibility, because we have no evidence about how it will work. It has never been done and I do not want to frighten away any members who may wish to exercise a proxy vote out of fear of the committee hugging their shoulders to see how it is going.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 18th meeting in 2022 of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee. I have received apologies from Collette Stevenson, who is unwell today.

Agenda item 1 is a decision on whether to take agenda item 3 in private. Do members agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

Excellent. I think that we are content that the person who grants the proxy should, as appropriate, be able to take back the vote for specific instances and that the scheme should be flexible in order to show that. With regard to the transparency, again, I am content with the fact that the Parliament will be aware that a proxy vote has been cast through the process of the member casting it, rather than anything more public than that happening beforehand. Obviously, the member might choose to explain what is happening, but I do not think that we need more than that. In relation to the application, I certainly do not think that we need anything other than the conversation between the member and the Presiding Officer. Are we content with that?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

That is interesting. I mean no disrespect, but I have never envisaged the proxy voting happening just in the chamber. I was thinking of people who, at present, are joining through BlueJeans and making their point of order afterwards. How strange that is. There is a change or difference of experience in this place.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

I agree and I think that we need to look at that and possibly discuss it further. People talk with dread about such situations, because of the various planning bills and traffic regulations in the past. Are there any further comments about the letter or are we happy for the trial to be not less than 12 months? I think that we need to have enough data to decide how we go forward. We are talking about the eligibility for a proxy vote including maternity, paternity and bereavement leave. Are we happy with the phrase “serious illness”? Do we want just “illness”?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

There may well be a role for the committee or for Parliament, if and when the trial period starts, to give members the opportunity to ask questions about that and investigate it so that they both understand the obligation and see an opportunity that may make some situations easier for them to deal with.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

I think that that is very helpful. The procedure would be a temporary rule change, which would sit next to a short report from this committee that would go to the chamber to be voted on before the trial period would begin. I am slightly concerned that any member who wants to exercise a proxy might fear that the committee would be there the minute they choose to exercise it, watching them and asking how it is going.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

Agenda item 2 is about proxy voting, which the committee has been looking at for a long time. We have now received correspondence from the Parliamentary Bureau and the Scottish parliamentary Labour Party in relation to proxy voting.

Today, I would like us to have our final discussions on where we stand on proxy voting, in the hope that, in the near future, we can propose a temporary scheme, which we can invite members to take on for a period of time. As I said, we have received two letters from interested parties—one from the parliamentary Labour Party, which seems very much in support of proxy voting, and a longer letter from the Parliamentary Bureau. Are there any comments before we start? After any comments, I think that we should work through the letters so that we can delve into some of the questions that we will need to resolve before coming up with a scheme.