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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

I will bring together some of the threads. We need to remember that we empowered the Presiding Officer to come up with the scheme so that it would work for her—well, not for the Presiding Officer but for the chamber. We empowered the Presiding Officer to have that flexibility, and rightly so. The scheme that has been created rests with the Presiding Officer, and the obligation on the Presiding Officer is to come back and consult with us, which speaks volumes about the evaluation of this pilot project.

I think that the committee always considered that it would be an iterative process. I certainly feel that the confidence that the chamber has shown in the Presiding Officer in creating the scheme should probably be echoed in the committee with regard to requests that she makes to us.

However, notwithstanding the request that has been made, that does not mean that we do not look at the consequences of the scheme. That relates to Bob Doris’s point with regard to starting to reach out to find out what the situation is more widely. It would be valuable to capture the experiences of those who have been offered and exercised proxies.

09:45  

As to how the Presiding Officer would make a determination on next of kin, you will recall the substantial evidence that we heard around people’s caring situations. Those are not necessarily defined by a family link; it might be a circumstance of fact. We entrusted the Presiding Officer with that.

As the PO is seeking clarification in the light of events, I would hope that we can support her proposed change. We can also use this exchange as the start of the evaluation process. We are in the second month of the proxy voting pilot and its use has certainly exceeded my expectations. I think that it would be useful to ask the clerks to start capturing the evidence of how the pilot is working, so that we can review it in due course.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

That is helpful.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

Again, that is incredibly helpful. If we are in—[Interruption.]

I am sorry, Bob—I cut across you.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

That is helpful. To deal with that second point first, my understanding is that the proxy scheme is operating as we thought it was going to operate. However, I note your concern about the actual wording of the voting scheme and I am more than happy to write to seek clarification. You will recall that we tried to frame it in such a way as to give the Presiding Officer the widest possible opportunity to reach the right decision on individual cases without having to seek medical advice or additional information. Therefore, I am more than happy to write to seek clarification.

Before we deal with your first point, in which you hinted that we should seek more information before reaching a decision, I will ask whether any other members want to come in.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

Yes, it is.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

That is helpful. Thank you.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

That is helpful. After Collette has contributed, I will come back to Bob.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

You are absolutely right to raise that. I think that that should be part of the evaluation because, come the summer recess, the voting apparatus in the chamber will change—the committee will be cognisant of that. Because the proxy voting pilot already exists, I hope that there will be a way of using the new facilities to capture that, which might alleviate some of the time that is spent at stage 3 in particular.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

I certainly think that framing the question that we want to ask in relation to the new equipment for voting is helpful.

We talked beforehand about unknown unknowns. Until we had the proxy pilot, I do not think that anyone really considered the situation at stage 3. People have a view of something when we talk about it. An iterative pilot approach allows us to say, “Oh, how will it work in this circumstance?” We can capture that and put something in place so that we will, I hope, have an answer on what a more formalised approach would look like towards the end of the pilot.

That is helpful. Do members agree to confirm to the Presiding Officer that we agree to the amendment that she seeks and to seek the additional information that we have requested?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

That concludes the public part of the meeting. We now move into private.

09:57 Meeting continued in private until 11:20.