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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

In essence, your committee’s value is in the fact that what comes before it covers a whole load of priorities, including subjects that other committees deal with. The overarching part gives it its importance.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

We come to my last question—I thank you for your time and, indeed, your patience this morning, minister.

Looking at the gender-sensitive audit, there is—rightly—great pressure for balance even just on a gender basis. One of the challenges on which we have heard a substantial amount of evidence—you have hinted at it, too—is that the size of a Government dictates the availability of its back-bench members to facilitate all the other parliamentary roles. The current Government—rightly, and as Scotland would expect—operates a gender-balanced Cabinet across the ministerial portfolios. How do we square that with the challenge of achieving the same in the Parliament? That becomes incredibly difficult, even in the sense of setting a threshold of 40 per cent, when the number of people of the correct gender are simply not there.

The challenge is first occasioned by the make-up of those who are returned to this place. We had an interesting discussion with the parties about their responsibility in that regard. However, once members are in this place and the pool is fixed, the gender balance of the Scottish Government makes it very much harder to achieve the same in Parliament. Which should take priority? What is your view on that conundrum?

11:30  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Absolutely, yes.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

If I absolutely accept your answer to that, minister, do you see the role of an elected convener—a parliamentarian—as being a different pathway for someone who comes to this place?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Yes, absolutely.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

You have been very open about this, minister, but it is right and very fair to note that a lot of the committee’s work, such as this inquiry, is done on the Parliament’s behalf, and I welcome the fact that you have said that you would support whatever decision the Parliament reaches.

One interesting aspect of this committee inquiry is the fascinating interaction between the Government and committees. We managed to get the parties to lift the lid on certain dark secrets about what happens under the surface—they might regret that when they look back on their evidence, but we will see; I am also placing an advert for people to look at that evidence.

One thing that I want to concentrate on is the value of having an elected convener. Unless I have misunderstood this, the Scottish Government, in essence, does not have a view on that, because it will address what the chamber says. However, from the Scottish Government’s point of view, would having someone who is very openly identified as representing a committee aid any of the aspects of discussions that happen, behind the scenes and at an official level, to steer things one way or the other? Would having someone who has the chamber’s authority to be a committee convener aid the interaction between the Scottish Government and that committee?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

As always, there is an opportunity outside the formal inquiry to send us information. I will gently drag us back to the world of party politics. Sorry, Emma.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Willie, you have three seconds. [Laughter.]

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Would you go as far as to say that it would add not just strength but legitimacy?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

In a sense, proportionality has been reached in your committee in that all but one of the parties’ voices are around the table, but the proportionality that you need for the voting balance is not a problem for your committee. I am not inquiring as to your committee’s internal workings, but has the fact that the issues will not come down to a vote assisted in the environment that the committee is working in?

10:30