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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802â€

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Sharon Dowey

So, at that point, you were not concerned that you did not have the full builders refund guarantee.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802â€

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Sharon Dowey

There still seemed to be a lot of concerns from CMAL, which felt that it had maybe been forced into it.

Given all the different concerns that were raised with you, did you discuss those with other ministers or cabinet secretaries, or with the First Minister or her advisers? Were they aware of the concerns?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802â€

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Sharon Dowey

From CMAL’s submissions, it seemed very keen to go back to the procurement process because it would have preferred to proceed with a full builders refund guarantee. Why were ministers so keen to proceed with the contract at that time?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802â€

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Sharon Dowey

Why did it not happen?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802â€

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Sharon Dowey

Were you happy to accept that at the time?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802â€

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Sharon Dowey

That is what you do.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802â€

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Sharon Dowey

You disagree with that.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802â€

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Sharon Dowey

I might come back to more questions on that later on.

How fit for purpose is the current ferry procurement process in Scotland, and how does it compare with processes in other countries? That question is based on previous evidence that we have had. We are now procuring ferries from Turkey, but the ferries that we have procured are double the price that Norway is paying.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802â€

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Sharon Dowey

Section 6.9 of your submission states:

“CMAL were told that they should not seek a Ministerial direction by the Ministers in relation to contract award of the Vessels to FMEL. However, the Board were sufficiently concerned about the Contracts in all the circumstances instead to seek a letter from the Ministers holding CMAL harmless in the event that the Contracts encountered the financial and technical issues identified in the risks paper.â€

At that point, you seemed very, very concerned. I still do not understand why CMAL did not just go in and cancel the contract.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802â€

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Sharon Dowey

Therefore, you were told to go in—