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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

That is one of the pinch points and there is still more work to be done on that.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

From the evidence, it seems that one of the conversations that still needs to happen through the partnerships and collaborations is about who actually pays for this. We spoke earlier about physical spaces and multidisciplinary staff, but we also heard that the health service will not pay for those. It sounds as though this is a health problem that the police are having to pay for. As the Criminal Justice Committee, we want to get those conversations concluded so that the police can go back to policing.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

I am sorry, but I am not talking about carving out or taking somebody else’s budget. My question is whether they are making the best use of their budget. For example, the Scottish Police Federation has said in its evidence that anyone who is in crisis but

“under the influence of alcohol will not be”

assessed

“by a medical professional”,

so police officers will be required to wait with them. While the police are sitting with people who are under the influence of alcohol, we have other constituents who are sitting complaining about antisocial behaviour. That sort of thing is taking the police away from their role, which is policing. From the conversations that you have had with other cabinet secretaries and among the group that you chair, do you think that they are doing enough? Are you seeing actions that are helping to alleviate that particular pressure on the police?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

In some areas.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

The evidence has been excellent this morning, and I have found everything really interesting. I just wish that I had the magic wand that would help us to find the solution.

Obviously, as a justice committee, we are looking at the issue of justice, but, given a lot of the things that we have been listening to, this seems like a healthcare problem, too. I agree with the police wanting to go in and do a reset in order to see what functions they should actually be taking control of, but another issue to think about is antisocial behaviour. We, along with many other members, are bringing that issue up a lot in the chamber, and it is a huge issue for constituents and businesses. However, the police are unable to respond to it, because they are tied up.

In its evidence, the SPF has said that anyone in crisis but

“under the influence of alcohol will not be”

assessed

“by a medical professional”,

which means that police officers are required to wait with them. We have heard a lot about collaborative approaches and partnership working, and it all sounds great, but I am interested in what is being done on the healthcare side of things to take the pressure off the police.

Dr Steel mentioned services but talked about them being provided from Monday to Friday. He then mentioned the care when it counts service, but I thought, “Well, it’s not when it counts if it’s only Monday to Friday.” Because we have a huge alcohol problem, a lot of that will happen out of hours—it will not be from Monday to Friday, when people are at work; it is when they get home at night or at the weekend.

I am interested in all the conversations that you are having about collaborative working. What are your partners saying about improving services and providing a 24/7 service, as the police force already does?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

Do you see enough movement on 24/7 services being made available?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

Are you seeing enough movement from other agencies on 24/7 provision? Once you have managed to get someone off the bridge, or if you have someone who is drunk and incapable, is there provision from the third sector or anywhere else?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

Dr Heyman, do you want to make any comments?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

You said that in your earlier evidence—that, after 24 hours, they were a different person.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Sharon Dowey

It was possibly a safe space for 24 hours.