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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Craig Hoy

A stark statement in the report, at paragraph 45, is:

“The scale of delayed diagnosis and treatment and what this means for NHS services and patients is not yet known.”

To make progress on that, you recommend that

“a cohesive strategy is needed to better understand ... the wider health impact of Covid-19 ... on NHS services and inform future service provision.”

Do you know whether the Scottish Government has any plans to develop such a strategy?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Craig Hoy

That is reassuring—thank you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Craig Hoy

Do you have any way of assessing or measuring how many patients might have chosen to self-fund their treatment in the independent sector during the pandemic? I asked NHS Lothian that question last week. Is there any way of capturing that detail, other than by looking at what happens when a patient’s appointment comes up or seeing whether they have elected to drop off the waiting list?

Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Craig Hoy

Good morning, Mr Griffin. Before we go into issues of oversight and governance, I will echo the convener’s remarks about the late emergence of the shared outcomes framework. You have pulled the rug from under our feet to some extent in this session, because we have not had time to study the framework, but yet you are referring to it, almost like Chamberlain, saying, “Here it is, peace in our time between these two bodies”. On the announcement yesterday about the independent adviser’s report on education, if that is the sort of slap-dash, last-minute and inconsiderate way that the Scottish Government is operating, it is perhaps no surprise that we are increasingly seeing reports coming to the committee that identify serious and systemic failures in the operation, delivery, governance and oversight of key public services.

Before I turn to the questions that I have prepared—which I think are now redundant, in some respects—I want to go back to leadership, because I do not think that you fully answered the question from Mr Beattie. The second key message of the report says that

“The Scottish Government has not provided the necessary leadership for progress”

and that

“Many obstacles remain and present risks to progress. The Scottish Government now needs to take urgent action to realise its ambitions for skills alignment.”

Do not forget that we are talking about £2 billion of taxpayers’ money and two very large organisations—SDS and the SFC. I am looking at exhibit 1—the organogram. At the top of the tree is the Minister for Further Education and Higher Education, Youth Employment and Training. Is the failure of leadership ministerial, institutional or systemic, or is it a combination of all three?

Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Craig Hoy

We might have you back at committee.

Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Craig Hoy

I will turn now, in some detail, to governance and oversight. I accept that you were not in post in 2017 when the Scottish Government established the Enterprise and Skills Strategic Board. The view of the Auditor General is that

“The ESSB lacks the authority to hold the skills agencies to account”.

In 2020 the Scottish Government proposed a new skills alignment assurance group to replace the governance arrangements. In 2021 the Scottish Government wound up the SAAG. Here, in 2022, we have the shared outcomes assurance group. It strikes me that we have more groups than Eurovision and more directors than Hollywood, but this document might now be the one that works.

Looking back at that history, could you say what issues affected governance and what steps the Government is taking? Is the document the one that will get us to the point at which there will be sufficient assurance that appropriate governance and oversight arrangements are in place?

Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Craig Hoy

Okay. Obviously, you will have looked at the directorates and the SFC. Do you believe that they have sufficient internal staffing capacity to support the skills alignment activities?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Craig Hoy

Finally, are you not putting the cart before the horse with the particular measure in section 37? Would it not be better to pause, wait for the consultation, and then come back with further primary legislation as and when it is required?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Craig Hoy

I have a couple of specific questions about the measures. You referred to the fact that the Government takes advice from the chief medical officer on protecting public health, and the regulations will flow from that. In relation to education and educational establishments in particular, there does not appear to be any requirement in the bill for any assessment to take place of the impact of an instrument made under the powers that may be exercised through the made affirmative procedure. Do you agree that it is important that those affected understand the impact of the regulations and that the information is accessible, clear and published in a timely manner? Would you consider amending the bill so that a requirement for such a process is included in it?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Craig Hoy

Nor is shutting an educational boarding facility.