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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of South Lanarkshire College”

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Craig Hoy

After what appears to have been quite a protracted period during which the audit and risk committee and the board did not meet, they both did so in November 2021. What was the catalyst for those meetings resuming, and, in your view, are the board and the audit and risk committee now meeting regularly?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of South Lanarkshire College”

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Craig Hoy

The audit body recommended that

“the college should reduce or extend the tenure of some members to provide for improved continuity of membership at the end of individuals’ tenure”

and said that that is being considered by the college. Will you provide some detail on how the college is taking that recommendation forward, and on the timescale for achievement?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of South Lanarkshire College”

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Craig Hoy

At the point at which the auditor signed their opinion—in March 2022—papers for the college’s board and committee meetings that were held after June 2021 were not publicly available on the college’s website. However, by 31 July 2022—the date that the convener alluded to—the college was compliant with that aspect of the code. It therefore sounds as though things have improved. To what extent, though, did the college take prompt action on that recommendation? Do you have any concerns that it was too slow in meeting it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of South Lanarkshire College”

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Craig Hoy

That is fine. Thank you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Craig Hoy

I think that, earlier, Sophie Flemig used the phrase “anecdotal evidence” in relation to what is happening in the marketplace at the moment. I get the impression that the independent sector is squeezed and that, given that providers do not feel that they are being adequately funded for providing care, the expansion in care means that their opportunity to turn a profit, which is effectively why they are in the sector in the first place, is, in effect, being squeezed into wraparound after-hours provision and breakfast clubs. To what extent do you get the impression that private sector providers are starting to shut their doors and move out of delivering that provision? Is there a risk that that will feed through to put more pressure on councils to provide it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Craig Hoy

Good morning, Mr Boyle. The legislation and the associated statutory guidance place an emphasis on flexibility and choice for parents in accessing early learning and childcare, but the degree of choice is very much determined by local authorities. Will you flesh out a little bit the extent to which parents can access early learning and childcare outside their local authority, if that local authority does not give the flexibility and choice or the patterns of childcare that they might need?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Craig Hoy

You have slightly pre-empted my next question. For remote and rural areas, childminding is a critical part of provision. To give an example, the Scottish Childminding Association has said that the workforce in the Scottish Borders has declined by 43 per cent over the past six years, that that could double by 2026 and that, at present, 386 families are affected by 56 businesses having withdrawn from the sector. Obviously, that will have major implications in those rural areas. To what extent is childminding, which is already a Cinderella service, at risk in Scotland as a result of the 1,140?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Craig Hoy

Scottish Borders Council funded a childminding link worker. The childminding sector told me that that was vital to its operation. That funding has been withdrawn because of the pressures that local authorities face. To what extent does the wider financial environment in councils put at risk, for example, link or outreach workers who operate between councils and the independent, voluntary and third sectors? Could that also mean that greater pressures will wash back up on councils?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Craig Hoy

I wonder whether councils are basically providing what they can provide under the financial constraints, instead of looking at what parents actually need.

Given that councils, which are both providers and rule setters, determine the rates for the private, voluntary and independent—or PVI—sector, is there perhaps a contradiction or a conflict of interest in the whole system that the Scottish Government has overlooked?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Craig Hoy

I should have asked this question earlier. In relation to the dynamic within the sector, is any work under way to assess whether, even though the independent sector is still quite large, there has been consolidation of ownership, with small independently owned and managed nurseries selling up to bigger, more commoditised companies with a cookie cutter approach? Is there market fragility partly because ownership is in far fewer hands now?