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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Craig Hoy

The SFC鈥檚 projection of a 拢4.7 billion gap identifies that it is 拢2.6 billion in resource spending and 拢2.1 billion in capital spending. How concerned should we be that the capital spend gap is proportionately more, given that capital expenditure is, in one sense, funding the engines of growth鈥攖he physical infrastructure? Is that a long-term concern?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Craig Hoy

In relation to the interplay between UK benefits and Scotland-specific benefits, would you accept, for example, having the Scottish child payment be dependent on universal credit? When you and I have talked in the past, you have said that you do not like to put cliff edges in, but would you accept that the interplay between those benefit systems puts in place a barrier to work? People will lose one benefit if they do more hours and therefore have greater earned income. The structure of the benefit system in Scotland is such that having some of it devolved may work against getting people into employment.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Craig Hoy

In respect of the 拢36 million that have been misclaimed or obtained through fraud, which you said it would be inhumane to draw back from people, will you get tough on those who misclaim benefits and, when there is an overpayment, will you be robust enough to reclaim that money?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Craig Hoy

No, but the words were put in the public domain.

Finally, I move to two potential risks. The first relates to public sector pay. You set a policy of a 9 per cent increase, but all the public sector pay agreements that have been made so far are projected to be ahead of that. Are you now in the territory of saying to public sector workers who have had pay deals that they should expect nominal pay settlements of about 1 per cent in the third year? In effect, that is where things will end up, unless you are willing to bust your pay policy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Craig Hoy

On 7 August, the response to a freedom of information request said that 24 bodies submitted applications and there were 40 applications in total. Among the 24 bodies were different Scottish Government directorates, health boards and local authorities. What does it say about the appetite for public sector reform that 24 of 140 to 200 bodies made a submission to that ambitious and wide-ranging scheme?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Craig Hoy

Clearly, some bodies are doing that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Craig Hoy

This is my very final question, convener.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Craig Hoy

It was a two-part question, and the second part is coming. On the 0.5 per cent workforce reduction target, Professor Graeme Roy told us that he was concerned that, if you rely too much on natural attrition, you will end up not having the right people in the right place. How do you avoid that becoming an issue?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Craig Hoy

We will come to some of the detailed issues in a moment, but, when he was giving evidence to us recently, Andy Witty from Colleges Scotland said, in respect of the tax base:

鈥淵ou grow the tax base by having more people working and getting them to a working position quicker.鈥濃擺Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 16 September 2025; c 7.]

What is the Scottish Government鈥檚 strategy to increase the tax base in Scotland?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Craig Hoy

The other issue that we have discussed in the past is adult disability payment and the difference between Scotland and the rest of the UK. Recently, Professor Breedon from the Scottish Fiscal Commission gave evidence that

鈥渢he idea is that the reviews are largely, but not entirely, self-certified, whereas in the UK system, that is less the case. We can reasonably expect that, if people are self-certifying, they are much less likely to sign themselves off a benefit than they would be if they were reviewed elsewhere.鈥濃擺Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 2 September 2025; c 23-24.]

Are you concerned that, as a greater percentage of the budget in Scotland is taken up by social security, and the ADP is rising significantly, you will have to address the criteria and the assessment process or, otherwise, it could run out of control?