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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

I will clarify that my question was, “If not statutory targets, then what?” As you said, you have outlined your reasons why you oppose statutory targets. That is on the record. What would you like to see instead in order to drive that action forward?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

Do we need a specific target for investment? The Scottish Government said that it believes that there is a risk of perverse outcomes, such greenwashing. I would therefore be interested to hear your views on whether a target for investment would be helpful.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

Is there something that the Government can do with the bill to support farmers to drive forward that action? It sounds as though you are saying that it is more about making sure that what is in place is clearer.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for having me back. I have two questions, if you will indulge me.

My first question is for the NFUS. We have heard this morning that the organisation believes that the focus needs to be on actions, not outcomes. I also heard that the NFUS does not want to see targets in the bill.

The committee took evidence from the Scottish Government when the bill was introduced, and it said that its view is that targets are a key way to drive action and that it already has a strategy and six-year delivery plans. Therefore, the idea is that the third part of the biodiversity framework will be the bill, with its statutory targets, and that the third element of the statutory targets, along with the strategy and the delivery plans, will be how we drive action forward.

If the NFUS disagrees with that—and it sounds like it does—what does it see as the best way to drive that action, given that we already have the strategy and the delivery plans? If not statutory targets, then what?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

Thanks, everyone, for such a great evidence session.

In evidence given to the committee on 5 March, Lisa McCann, head of the Scottish Government’s biodiversity unit, stated that the Scottish Government takes

“the view that targets are a key way to drive action”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 5 March 2025; c 2.]

I think that, from what we have heard today, every member of the panel will agree with that statement—I am just checking for any shaking of heads. No—I see that everyone agrees.

In the same session, Ms McCann also stated that

“There is no simple way to measure biodiversity ... There is not one apex target”.—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 5 March 2025; c 3.]

We have heard agreement from witnesses on that point, too.

We have also heard that, of the seven target topics identified by the programme advisory group, only three are being taken forward in the bill. There was a bit of discussion about the target topics at the start of today’s evidence session, and I just wanted to circle back to that on the basis that we are all in agreement on the importance of statutory targets and the need to tackle biodiversity from multiple angles.

Ms McCann explained the reasons for not taking forward two of the targets. On investment, she said that the Scottish Government believed that

“there was a risk of potentially perverse outcomes”

such as the

“risk of potential greenwashing”,—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 5 March 2025; c 5.]

which is an issue that came up earlier. She added:

“There is already quite a lot of work going on across Government to develop responsible private investment in natural capital.”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 5 March 2025; c 6.]

Do the witnesses believe that the Scottish Government can support the protection and restoration of Scotland’s natural environment without public investment? How likely do they believe public investment in nature to be without a statutory target?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

I intended to move on to a different area.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

Do I have time to ask another question?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

In her evidence to the committee, Ms McCann also stated that the Scottish Government

“had not envisaged doing any formal public consultation on the regulations for the targets”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 5 March 2025; c 8.]

due to the technical nature of what is in the targets. Do any of you have a view on whether there is a need for public consultation on the regulations for the targets?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Mercedes Villalba

Would it be fair to say that fairness is an important principle to the university?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Mercedes Villalba

Is fairness something that the university seeks to promote and instil amongst the students who attend?