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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 August 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

Would they need to be defrosted for sale prior to the deadline of 31 December?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

I am sorry, convener—I got in a muddle. I thought that we were still on amendment 158. I realise that it is probably too late to change my vote, but can I just note that I would have opposed amendment 24?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

If retailers saw that the birds were not selling and that they therefore still had a lot in stock, would there be any option, as the convener suggested, to hold them back in order to put them on to the shelves in the new year, or will they literally have to be signed off as waste?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

Can we check that vote? I think that there might have been a delay on Microsoft Teams.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

I am grateful. Minister, on amendment 174, in the name of Christine Grahame, did you say that you would look again at the issue ahead of stage 3, with a view to Christine Grahame bringing an amendment back at that stage, or are you ruling out any amendment that seeks to exclude the specific situation in which a person

“in the course of any activity involving the laying of”

a

“scent ... allows a dog to hunt a wild mammal”?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

I support amendments 113 and 124, in the name of Colin Smyth, which seek to exclude relays as well as packs. In England, such practices have been observed being used as a loophole to continue mounted hunts, and it is important that we prevent such a loophole here.

I cannot support amendment 242, in the name of Rachael Hamilton, because its proposed definition of “under control” seems to defy any reasonable understanding of the phrase. I am also not minded to support amendment 244, given that it has been made clear throughout the passage of the bill that the definition of “pack” that we are working with relates to more than two dogs. I would be interested to hear the minister’s response, though.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

Are you saying that you are confident that the use of a relay—two dogs, followed by two dogs, followed by two dogs—would be caught by the legislation and would not be permissible?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

I support all of Colin Smyth’s amendments in this group and urge all members to do the same.

Amendments 111, 119 and 127 require a person to demonstrate that a method is appropriate and is the most humane, while amendments 112, 144, 145 and 147 require the activity in the exception not to take place during the breeding season, which I support as a basic animal welfare and conservation measure. I cannot support amendment 35, in the name of Rachael Hamilton, as I feel that it weakens the language in the bill.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

It is important that we are clear that there is a difference between wildlife control and the issue in the bill, which is hunting with dogs. I object to animals being chased and killed by dogs. There are other ways to control animals. I draw the member’s attention to that point and have no further remarks to make about the group of amendments.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Mercedes Villalba

I thank the members who have lodged the amendments in this group. I will be supporting amendments 1, 3, 5, 7 and 13, in the name of Ariane Burgess, as they would remove the exception for management of foxes and mink below ground—an activity which I am not assured can meet high animal welfare standards for either dogs or wild mammals. As has already been stated, the committee’s stage 1 report said that it is not clear that the use of dogs below ground at all is compatible with the bill’s pursuit of the highest possible animal welfare standards.

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I will also support amendments 162 to 167, in the name of Jenni Minto, which remove mink from the exception on the use of dogs below ground, so that, if the exception does remain, at least that species will be protected from that activity.

I will also support amendment 117, in the name of Colin Smyth, because it would tighten the legislation by specifying that the intention should be to kill the animal by shooting, thereby ensuring that less humane methods are not used.

I cannot support amendments 73 to 96, in the name of Edward Mountain, as they would add weasels, stoats, polecats and ferrets to the exception, thereby widening its scope, whereas I would wish to see it removed altogether. Similarly, I cannot support amendments 212 to 219, 221, 222, 225 and 26 to 28, in the name of Rachael Hamilton, as they would widen the scope of the exception in one form or another.

I listened with interest to Ms Hamilton’s explanation of her amendments 220 and 224. I am not currently minded to support those amendments because, like Ariane Burgess, I have concerns that they could be used as an excuse to justify the use of more than two dogs. However, I would be interested in hearing the minister’s comments on those amendments in due course.