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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Tess White

Thank you. If you could come back with that information, that would be appreciated.

I will move on to my second question. We heard about the isolation that some deaf pupils feel when they are in mainstream schools. How might support for deaf pupils in mainstream schools be improved?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Tess White

Good morning, Deputy First Minister and officials. My question is about education. Thank you for saying in your address that, as part of the planning, you are costing a national tutor course and will support BSL users to become teachers. Do you have any other thoughts on how to increase the number of deaf BSL users who are qualified to teach BSL-using pupils?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Tess White

Thank you. I have a follow-up question. You cannot manage what you do not measure, so do you have a starting position for the number of trained teachers who are deaf BSL users? Do you have a figure for 10 years ago, for five years ago, for now and for the future?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Tess White

But it is in there somewhere.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Tess White

That goes back to my point that you cannot manage what you do not measure, so having it as part of your mainstreaming work is important.

I have one final question, Deputy First Minister. Do you or your officials have any thoughts on the idea of piloting BSL learning opportunities for all pupils in Scotland?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Tess White

Deputy First Minister, on the bandwidth of your team, has BSL and the training and education of BSL users and tutors been factored into the objectives of your officials? What percentage of their time are your officials spending on this?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Tess White

In my head, I am thinking around 10 per cent. Would you say that that is a high figure?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

In relation to prisons and the Prison Service.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

Is that discussion included in the biannual meetings?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Tess White

There is a place for you tomorrow, from 12.00 pm until 2.00 pm, if you would like. We would like you to come.

My final question relates to access to justice. Prisons and hospitals are almost like burning bridges—they need immediate action. My question is about the direction of travel in relation to access to justice and relates to adults with incapacity work, which is the largest case type, by volume, for civil legal aid. Lawyers who provide legal aid work in that area are struggling to make ends meet, and the direction of travel basically means that access to justice for the most vulnerable will be withdrawn because there will be no lawyers, or only a few—they will be like hen’s teeth—who are prepared to do legal work in that area.

On 11 November, on the Scottish Legal News website, Govan Law Centre’s adults with incapacity unit raised serious concerns about the potential wider impact of the proposals to replace detailed fees with block fees. Jan Savage is nodding, so she is aware of that.

Solicitors doing that work are already in short supply, as I said. They believe that the proposals are poor, are being bulldozed through and will exacerbate the existing access to justice issues for the most vulnerable in society.

The lawyers from Govan Law Centre produced a report in which they say:

“increased state intervention, where an adult or those close to them cannot access justice, is unlikely to be compliant with the European Convention on Human Rights. Delays in the current system already have profound consequences for vulnerable individuals and wider society, such as bed-blocking in hospitals.â€

What is the EHRC’s role when such alarm bells are sounded and access to justice is being further eroded?