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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 May 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

I have other questions, but I am conscious of time.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Maggie Chapman

I appreciate that it is early days.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Maggie Chapman

Beyond grid.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Maggie Chapman

That would be very helpful.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Maggie Chapman

Absolutely.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Maggie Chapman

One of the key arguments for not seeing resilience as a nice add-on at the end of the process is that it might do away with the need to address some of the other issues that we have been talking about. Having islands or rural communities that are self-sufficient in energy terms means that we do not need to worry about some of the broader issues around transmission and distribution, because it is all right there. I am not necessarily seeing that kind of strategic thinking about off-grid鈥攖hat might be the wrong phrase; perhaps I should say 鈥渂eyond-grid鈥濃攕upply, distribution, transmission and use.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Maggie Chapman

I am not trying to be awkward. Others round the table might think that I am鈥攊t is just my nature.

One of the key challenges about which we have talked, about which the committee has heard and about which we hear often is problems with the resilience of grid connections. You will be familiar with some of the resilience issues and failures during storm Arwen and other similar events. What are the opportunities in the body of work that we are talking about, whether legislation or reviews, to think outside the box鈥攐r beyond the grid鈥攕o that we can have local, community-owned, resilient energy supplies that are not dependent on infrastructure that might be several tens of miles away or controlled several hundreds of miles away? How do we build resilience into an energy system鈥攊n particular, the electricity system鈥攖hat is not only net zero but fit for the future and is not subject to grid failures?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thank you for that.

Jeremy Allen, you mentioned two avenues: the regulatory frameworks and the consultations. There are opportunities for communities to respond to and influence consultations. Does either of you see any likelihood of a need to adjust the regulatory frameworks? If so, in what directions should they be adjusted?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thank you very much, convener, and thank you for letting me come to this afternoon鈥檚 meeting. Good afternoon to the panel and thank you for being here.

I appreciate what Andrew Bowie has already said about the UK Energy Bill that is going through Parliament and the several reviews that are on-going and have yet to report. I know that the timescales are various and things are forthcoming, so there will be some limit to what you can say in some of your answers to these questions.

You referenced the Scottish Government鈥檚 draft energy strategy and just transition plan. You will be aware of the very clear commitment to maximising community benefit within that, in relation not only to renewable energy developments but also鈥攁s we have heard鈥攖o localising transmission and distribution, connectivity, shared ownership and all of that. Given what you have already said this afternoon, and following on from Fiona Hyslop鈥檚 questions around the FSO, how do you see the FSO鈥檚 role in facilitating those kinds of community benefits in a material way, particularly for rural communities?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, and thank you for joining us.

I was going to bring up our place-based town centre inquiry, because I think that there is something about seeing a place as a whole and as more than just somewhere where all the various sectors come together. Therefore, I do not underestimate the challenge that Catriona Laing has just talked about with regard to bringing the sectoral plans into sharp relief.

10:15  

I want to follow up on some of the points that Fiona Hyslop made about community engagement and co-design work. I appreciate what has been said on co-design and engagement with the just transition commission, but communities and workers should be included in that co-design process in a meaningful way that does not just channel those views through the just transition commission, where people might think that they would get a little lost. I urge the Scottish Government to think about co-leadership and co-ownership of different elements of the plans and of our delivery and implementation approaches.

That is particularly important for the long term, cabinet secretary. You said very clearly that you are not thinking in short-term chunks of time. If the community and the workers own the process, they will be invested in it and will make it work for 2045. Rather than just involving them in the process, we should give them ownership of that process. That represents a different approach. It is scary, because the Government does not do that often or regularly, but it is really important that that happens.

From that, we will get questions about not only transport and housing, which Fiona Hyslop has highlighted, but the other infrastructure needs of the local area, such as the flood prevention plan and other environmental infrastructure needs. How will the plan be able to take account of those issues that do not relate directly to the energy issues or the chemical industries of Grangemouth, but which relate to the community more broadly?