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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

I have a question that is possibly slightly cheeky. In your earlier responses, Lady Dorrian, you were very clear about the powers that need to reside in the person of the Lord President. What happens if that person goes rogue? [Laughter.] Sorry.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Okay. Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, Kaukab. Good morning, Esther. Thank you for joining us. I will follow up your last point about oversight and the final say being different to regulation. Can you unpick what you mean by that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

I appreciate that. Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

I wonder whether the volume of cases is an indication that consumers do not feel confident enough to use the direct route. Perhaps having what might be intermediate routes鈥攐r just lower level ones, if that makes sense鈥攚ould not seem so daunting to consumers. Can you see that as an argument?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Esther Roberton and I worked together when I was rector of the University of Aberdeen and she was senior governor. We are also on Scotland鈥檚 Futures Forum together.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

One of the Law Society鈥檚 contentions is that, if we went down the route of an independent regulator, it would be considerably more expensive. What is your view on that position?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

On a similar point, but looking at it from the other angle, the proposal in the bill as it stands鈥攚e expect that to change鈥攊s that there would be a role for, or accountability or a relationship to, the Scottish ministers. That impinges on the independence of the legal profession.

With a completely independent body, who would oversee the overseer, if that makes sense? There is no opportunity for that role, as we have heard, and the Government has conceded that having ministerial oversight is problematic for a whole range of reasons. Who would oversee the independent regulator?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Good morning to the panel. Thank you for joining us and articulating so clearly the concerns that you have outlined.

Will you unpick a little more your concerns around the proposal to abolish the right of appeal to the Court of Session? What would that do, or what do you perceive that it would do, in relation to delays and the consumer experience, as well as the broader legal question at stake?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Lord Ericht, do you want to come in on that, too?