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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 December 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

I will come to Gavin Yates and Louise Church soon. Gina, you talked about the evidence that we have had from children about their experience, and their families’ experiences, of discrimination. Are you aware of any evidence of parents or children worrying about being othered or further stigmatised if they take a position on the issue of withdrawal from RO?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

What do you think, Gavin?

09:45  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, Louise. That is really helpful. My final question is to any panel member. You have all said in different ways that we do not have evidence of high numbers of withdrawals in the process as it currently works. That could be because of a lack of awareness, stigmatisation or because not withdrawing is the path of least resistance, to use Gavin Yates’s phrase. Should we be gathering and monitoring data on withdrawals? The approach feels quite piecemeal; there is no requirement to record the number of withdrawals and there is no formal data gathering by local authorities. What are your views on whether we should have a clearer data-driven understanding of this? Alternatively, does data not have a role in something like this?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Louise Church, is there anything else that you want to add about how things are working at the moment or how we record information?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Okay. Thanks, folks—I will leave my questions there.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

You talk about feedback and consultation, but I see those as being quite different from engagement. I see engagement as being much more co-productive. It involves having conversations that are not about discussing something that is already predetermined by university management or—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

It is important that we are clear on that, because there has been quite a lot of communication going to the university community, saying, “This is what is happening,” but not, “Come and tell us what you think about how we can work together on that.” That has been one of the fundamental problems over the past 11 months. There has been some communication to the university community, which in some cases has been very poor, but it has always been one-directional. I think that that is part of the reason for the lack of trust and the issues of morale that this committee has talked about for months now.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

This is my final area of questioning. We have been in this situation for nearly 11 months, and there have been fits and starts of discussions between the SFC and the university, as well as discussions around this committee’s table. Given that the SFC’s responsibilities range from teaching, learning and research to student support and participation, how do you see those different elements being prioritised in conversations with the university about the long-term financial sustainability of the institution?

I will explain what I mean by that. Finances were the bottom line in the financial recovery plan of six and a half or seven months ago. How have we moved beyond that?

10:15  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful—thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

That was going to be my follow-up question. What is your engagement with Universities Scotland?