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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

There was a lack of direct engagement with people who are in debt as the regulations were pulled together. There was clearly discussion with people from the advice sector, but not much with people who are in debt directly. What will be the impact of the regulations for people who are in debt—for consumers themselves?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

I think that other members might pick up on some of those points in a little bit more detail.

My final question is on the no one left behind approach and on bringing together that partnership and collaboration that you have talked about. The committee heard contrasting views not necessarily of how successful the approach had been, but of what its impact was; indeed, organisations and people working most closely with those with lived experience said that they did not always see the positive impact of the approach. How, then, would you assess the impact on disabled people themselves? You have talked about culture change, and clearly there has been an impact on how organisations work—indeed, we have heard as much—but do you think that that is flowing through to positive change for disabled people themselves?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Yes.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

And “What next?â€

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thanks very much.

Arun Chopra, in your opening comments, you set out what the Mental Welfare Commission does, and it is helpful to see it in that context. You have very clear evidence of where the accountability and implementation gaps are, yet you also say quite clearly that the bill may not be the right route to a remedy. In the work that the Mental Welfare Commission does, where are the challenges around those gaps of implementation and accountability?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

That is very helpful. You have touched on safeguards and, in your opening remarks, you talked about the need for greater clarity around safeguards. Can you say a little more about that? Safeguards mean slightly different things in different contexts. In relation to your work, what are you talking about when you talk about safeguards for disabled people?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you very much. That is really helpful.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Nick Hobbs outlined that the lived experience and participation of young people are vital to the role of the Children and Young People’s Commissioner. Would you like to add anything else on that, Nick?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you all very much. I am aware that we have three different types of commission in front of us this morning, so it has been really interesting to hear about your different perspectives, reporting mechanisms and accountability structures. That is something for us to take on board and to consider as we progress with this work.

Thank you very much for your time and for the evidence that you have given us. I am sure that you will be hearing from us in due course as we progress this work. We will move into private session.

11:17 Meeting continued in private until 11:31.  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you very much, Jan. I thank all the witnesses for their opening statements. We will move to questions now, and I will kick off.

In different ways, you have all said that you support the principles behind, and the desired outcomes of, the proposed disability commissioner and the legislation that we are considering. The consultation shows strong support for a commissioner role. Why do you think that is? We have heard talk of implementation gaps and accountability gaps. What is failing? What is going wrong? Could you tell us what your organisations are seeking to do in the space? I will start with Nick Hobbs.