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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, Amy. I will delve a little bit deeper. You said in your response that there are many other commissioners and statutory bodies, as well as legislation that is clearly failing. You talked specifically about the need to have mechanisms that will have an impact. Will you elaborate on that? Why are all those statutory bodies and commissioners failing? Is it purely about resource or is there something else going on?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, Amy.

Richard, I will ask you the same question about the cluttered landscape and duplication.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

You talked earlier about the commissioner鈥攁s an advocate and as the point of focus, if not the point of contact, for disabled people and others鈥攑otentially having a unifying role. Are there challenges in that regard, given how diverse disabled communities are? Even in relation to RNIB Scotland鈥檚 work, there is diversity among the people whom you support. How do you see one person鈥攐r one commissioner鈥檚 office, because it would not be just one person鈥攂eing able to deal with that diversity?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

In your opening statement, you talked about the importance of intersectionality in Deaf Action鈥檚 work. Can you say a little more about how we can ensure that we embed intersectionality in how we think about the disability commissioner and the broader landscape?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning to the panel. Thank you for your comments so far. I want to ask some questions about the cluttered landscape, its complexity and the potential for duplication that Amy Dalrymple and Kirstie Henderson raised specifically and which everybody has touched on. It has been suggested to us that a new disability commissioner might complicate and fragment an already cluttered and complex landscape of human rights commissioners. However, it has also been suggested that that could be overcome by working together closely and by memorandums of understanding. What are your views on that?

Amy, as you raised that issue earlier, could you comment on it?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

That is a helpful articulation of the position.

I have a quick question on the ease of navigation of the process. One of the arguments for the establishment of commissioners such as a disability commissioner is that they would be mechanisms of remedy or redress. You say that people should be working together collaboratively, but how do you see people who need redress and remedy navigating that pathway?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

I ask Kirstie Henderson the same question on duplication and the cluttered landscape.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

You have highlighted that it is not easy. If it was easy, we would have sorted these issues by now, so it is going to be complex.

Tomas, you talked about the need to have disabled people very clearly involved. If we think about how the landscape works and consider the potential for duplication and overlap, how easy is it for disabled people and the people that Deaf Action works with to navigate the existing landscape, before we think about having a new disability commissioner?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful. I will leave it there.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you, convener. I probably should have done this at the start of our evidence taking. Just so that folks are aware, I note that I used to work for a vision impairment organisation of which the Royal National Institute of Blind People Scotland was a member鈥攖he Scottish Council on Vision Impairment. That was about a decade ago.