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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

In your professional services directorate, some of the job cuts disproportionately impacted women. Whether it be job segregation or not, there was, clearly, a gendered impact in that respect. How did your EQIAs assess and mitigate that impact, or was it just considered tolerable?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

There has been a question about why there was so much outsourcing of strategic leadership. Do you want to comment on that claim?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

A challenge that we have had, and which has probably been communicated to several committee members and to regional members, is that when there were job cuts or proposals for job cuts or when vacancies in certain parts of the institution—particularly in estates and buildings—were not refilled, some areas were filled by contractors instead. It was a case of someone saying, “We won’t replace the staff, because then our staff headcount will be down and our overall staff package will be low”; however, the contracts turned out to be much more expensive. How do you square that with your provision of effective and efficient leadership and your strategic outlook?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

The maintenance of heating systems in laboratories, for instance, used to be managed by on-site, university-employed maintenance people. That function was outsourced, and labs had to be closed for a day, because the contractors could not fix a problem that occurred. It meant that staff and students lost lab time for research, because the outsourced contractors, who were supposedly there to deliver the service, could not get to Dundee as they were not based locally.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

But it happened more than once. It happened repeatedly, and it was a direct consequence of not employing staff for the university, and outsourcing those types of functions.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Were you involved in the software’s procurement, or was that delegated to other people?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

I will leave it there. Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Good afternoon. Before I start my questions, I put on record that I was, earlier this year, elected as rector of the University of Dundee, a post that I will take up in August this year, so I am not currently rector. When I am in that role, it will be a non-financial role.

Pam Duncan-Glancy has already referred to this quote from the Gillies report:

“The failure of the University’s financial governance system was self-inflicted and experienced multiple times and at multiple levels.”

Who should pay for that collective failure?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

We have talked a lot about when we knew what. I want to go back a little bit further, to April 2023, when the Scottish Trades Union Congress called the University of Dundee a “rogue employer” because of the way that the university was managing job losses and industrial action. Did the situation and that statement by the STUC give you any cause to think about how things might and should be done differently to improve relationships and to open up conversations with staff and the wider university community?