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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

In previous sessions, a parallel was drawn with the inclusion of homosexuality in the DSM—the “Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders”. Do you agree that there is a parallel? If you do not want to comment on that, that is fine. I appreciate that the subject is difficult.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you; that is helpful.

Naomi Cunningham, I have a similar question about your views on the case for change, if you view that there is one. In your opening comments, you talked about that larger group of people being potentially eligible. What is your view on whether reform is necessary?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

One issue in relation to the panel requiring evidence to be submitted to prove that you are who you say you are is that the process is intrusive. Surely trans people deserve privacy, too.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I know that another member wants to ask about age later on, so I will leave that to them.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

The evidence is increasingly clear that there is substantial published research based on direct engagement with trans people that that is not always the case. I would not want to prescribe what being a woman has to mean—the idea that you have to look, dress and act a certain way is sexism, and I would not do that—and I would not want to do that to trans people, either.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I suppose that, on the issue of the wider group and what characteristics might be included in that wider group, there are questions about why that has the legal significance that two of the panel members seem to be giving it. However, I realise that we probably need to move on, convener, so I will leave it there for now.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you; that is helpful. You said in your opening statement that the need for a gender dysphoria diagnosis is viewed internationally as outdated. That point links closely with the current process of having a panel of medical experts assessing information. Can you comment on the appropriateness of that process, based on what you have heard from the trans people to whom you have spoken and from your analysis of that process?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Okay. Do you anticipate that you will determine what to include once the bill is at stage 3? In any process, will you seek clarification around, for example, any evidence that is required?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I will follow up on a couple of things that witnesses have said. It might be appropriate for Robert Strachan to come in here, but that is up to you. James Kerr mentioned that the gender identity and gender reassignment policy is up for review; can you explain that? Has the periodic cycle of reviews led to the current review, or have issues or concerns triggered that at this time? I will come back in on something else related to that, but could you start with that question?