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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

That links to the point that you have made a few times about visions for places and ensuring that people who live, work, study and play in places are involved in generating a vision for them.

We heard about a couple of challenges with that. One of them is the lack of expertise and capacity, to which a potential solution would be to have a central resource of expertise and support that could be mobilised to different parts of the country at different times to support communities to develop. There have been discussions about that; I am not sure that proceeding with it is the settled view of the committee, but I am interested to hear your thoughts on it.

One of the other challenges we have heard about, which is linked to that, is that when funding is available for visioning projects it is often short term. Where funding has been successful, projects have been given a pot of money without the provider knowing what the end product will be. On such projects there is trust and the community is given freedom to run with them鈥攕ometimes they do so for 10 years. That would be a marked shift in how we support community visioning projects. What is your perspective on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I will come back on a couple of things. In a lot of what we have heard, the assumption is that we are always talking about trans women; we must recognise that trans men exist, too, and Sharon Cowan mentioned non-binary people in her opening remarks. In relation to what you say about gender dysphoria and the medicalisation of it, given that the World Health Organization has reclassified it and there is increasing evidence that not all trans people experience gender dysphoria, how can we retain a restriction that excludes trans people from getting a GRC?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. I have a couple of questions. First, will you give us a flavour of the support for trans people and others that the clinics provide, so that we know what you do?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I suppose that there are no other identities that we may have as human beings and that are currently recognised by the Equality Act 2010 that require gatekeeping in that way.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you; that was helpful.

In earlier remarks there was mention of support for the World Health Organization鈥檚 reclassification of gender dysphoria. Will you say a bit more about that and why your network has come to the position that it is in on the issue?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I accept that you might not be able to answer this, but I am curious to know about the relationship that trans people whom the clinic supports have with the process of medicalisation that diagnosis determines or requires. Does that come up in your conversations?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Good morning and thank you to the witnesses for joining us and for your opening statements and the other information that some of you provided.

I will explore two areas: first, the case for change or the need for gender recognition reform at all; and, secondly, questions around gender dysphoria diagnosis and the panel that has been associated with that process.

Sharon Cowan, I will come to you first. In your opening remarks, you talked about the views among the trans people that you speak to shifting, in the past five years, from Scotland being a great place to live to that not being the case. How do you see that as being linked鈥攐r otherwise鈥攏ot so much to the discussions around this bill, on which there have already been two consultations, but to the need for change and for something that is within the current GRA to be different?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

There are protections for that accordingly.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I know that my colleagues around the table will come back on certain points that you made in that answer.

I will turn to Karon Monaghan. I listened to your opening remarks and I am interested in your thoughts on the medicalisation process. Do you agree that medicalisation of gender dysphoria is problematic and do you see the shift away from requiring that diagnosis as necessary?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I note the evidence that you gave in Westminster in February 2021 when you said very similar things. When you talk about gatekeeping and safeguards, what kinds of things do you have in mind?