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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 May 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, Colin. Do you want to respond, Vic?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

That is really helpful.

I have another question. Melanie Field, you touched on this in that response. Earlier, you talked about medicalisation and about the distinction between medical and social transition. Alasdair MacDonald, in one of your answers to Pam Duncan-Glancy you talked about working to make the process as inclusive and accessible as possible. Given that trans identity is no longer considered by the World Health Organization to be a mental illness, why retain the discussion about the need for proof of gender dysphoria?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Can I clarify something? You just mentioned clarity around definition—definition of what?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

To be clear, are you talking about the impacts on policy making and data collection rather than the impact on trans people themselves?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thanks for that, Vic. Do you have anything to add, Mhairi?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Mhairi, are you happy with that, too?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

This is my last question, unless I am allowed a cheeky extra one. The Scottish Human Rights Commission has written to the EHRC to clarify mandates. As you will know, the SHRC suggests that the EHRC is required to seek the consent of the SHRC when it proposes to take action on devolved human rights matters, and we would see gender recognition reform as one such matter. Can you outline that process? Have the two organisations met? What discussions have you had with the SHRC, and has there been an explicit discussion about seeking consent when taking action on devolved human rights matters?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thanks. That is helpful. I will leave it there.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee (Hybrid)

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

I just want to come back to a couple of things and explore them in a bit more detail.

Alexander Stewart mentioned the letter that the EHRC wrote to the cabinet secretary, setting out the change in your position. That letter refers to a

“wider group who identify as the opposite gender at a given point”,

and expresses concern that, under the bill’s proposals, that “wider group” might be able to obtain a GRC. Can you explain the term “wider group”?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 11 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

I invite Euan Leitch to respond on the same issues.