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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Being mindful of an earlier comment about what the reform that we are scrutinising seeks to do and what it does not do, your remarks are well made.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, and thank you both for being with us this morning and for the evidence that you have provided in your opening statements and in writing.

I have a couple of questions to ask, and I will start with Alice Sullivan. I know that other members are going to come on to talk more about data, so I am going to ask questions about the need or the case for change. Alice, in your view, is there a requirement for this reform in the first place? You talked a lot about the implications for data, so do you see there being a need for change if we can get some of the data stuff right? I appreciate that other members will ask about the data in a moment.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

That links to the point that you have made a few times about visions for places and ensuring that people who live, work, study and play in places are involved in generating a vision for them.

We heard about a couple of challenges with that. One of them is the lack of expertise and capacity, to which a potential solution would be to have a central resource of expertise and support that could be mobilised to different parts of the country at different times to support communities to develop. There have been discussions about that; I am not sure that proceeding with it is the settled view of the committee, but I am interested to hear your thoughts on it.

One of the other challenges we have heard about, which is linked to that, is that when funding is available for visioning projects it is often short term. Where funding has been successful, projects have been given a pot of money without the provider knowing what the end product will be. On such projects there is trust and the community is given freedom to run with them鈥攕ometimes they do so for 10 years. That would be a marked shift in how we support community visioning projects. What is your perspective on that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, Tom, and thank you for being here and for what you have said so far.

I want to explore a couple of areas, the first of which is community engagement. In your opening remarks, you said that you see town centres as being at the heart of decision making. What do you mean by that? How can we make it happen?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you for that. You have talked about engaging with the community, but how we define the community matters. There will be competing and conflicting definitions or qualifying criteria, in that respect.

One of the things that we have heard about is a potential lack of capacity in some areas to ensure community engagement and direct community involvement in planning and, indeed, democracy. The situation varies considerably across Scotland. What possibilities for supporting capacity building in, say, community councils or development trusts can the committee think about? Are there different ways of bringing people in? How do we ensure that we engage with the community as a whole, and not just with those who have vested interests, loud voices or deep pockets?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Town Centres and Retail

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you; that was helpful. There is a tension between financial support and other support for capital projects, as you mentioned. There is also something about financing and supporting the process of determining projects in the first place, which is often where there are gaps or weaknesses. I will leave it there for now.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I know that my colleagues around the table will come back on certain points that you made in that answer.

I will turn to Karon Monaghan. I listened to your opening remarks and I am interested in your thoughts on the medicalisation process. Do you agree that medicalisation of gender dysphoria is problematic and do you see the shift away from requiring that diagnosis as necessary?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I note the evidence that you gave in Westminster in February 2021 when you said very similar things. When you talk about gatekeeping and safeguards, what kinds of things do you have in mind?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. I have a couple of questions. First, will you give us a flavour of the support for trans people and others that the clinics provide, so that we know what you do?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I will come back on a couple of things. In a lot of what we have heard, the assumption is that we are always talking about trans women; we must recognise that trans men exist, too, and Sharon Cowan mentioned non-binary people in her opening remarks. In relation to what you say about gender dysphoria and the medicalisation of it, given that the World Health Organization has reclassified it and there is increasing evidence that not all trans people experience gender dysphoria, how can we retain a restriction that excludes trans people from getting a GRC?