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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Maggie Chapman

What can we do to help with that? You are right that it is a challenge. If the Grangemouth model is working, how can we transfer it? What are the barriers that prevent that happening?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Maggie Chapman

I will do the same—I am a member of Unite.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Petition

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Maggie Chapman

I agree with the sentiment that Karen Adam just expressed. Because of the petition, we have been able to consider Makaton and some other issues that we might not have considered before.

Thinking specifically about the petition, I know that we can close it, keep it open or widen the work around it. My concern with closing it now, as it stands, is that I am not sure whether that closes the loop for the petitioner. We sent her the Scottish Government’s response, but I would like to give her the opportunity to come back to us with any final comments.

I also think that there is something in that wider work that Karen talked about. The balance that we see in the papers between the issues of accessibility and judicial rigour is really important—the line is quite narrow, in some ways. I would like to see us explore, not only in the area of justice but in other areas, how we can bring Makaton much more into our understanding of accessible communication and the knock-on consequences for the public services that we rely on.

I would like us to keep the petition open for now in order to give Sandra Docherty an opportunity to come back to us, but I would also like us to say that we see the petition as kicking off a wider body of work. Then, in the coming weeks or months, or however long it takes, we can see how to take that forward.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Maggie Chapman

Good morning to all of you who have joined us this morning; thank you for being here.

Following on from Colin Beattie’s questions, I might have different views of some of the new technologies that you have just talked about, Stuart, and the risks associated with them, particularly in relation to the potential displacement of activity and resource for technologies that we know are carbon neutral now. You talked about the different facets of the petrochemical industries. There is a continued drag on carbon emissions because of a continued reliance of CCUS and hydrogen on that petrochemical extraction.

One question that I am interested in is the need for test sites—demonstration sites—which is talked about in the just transition commission report. What is your view of the risks of what we currently have at Grangemouth and the risks of the different technologies that we have either not been proving or not been trying to prove the concept of over the past 20 years? What new and genuinely carbon-neutral technologies have potential at Grangemouth?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Maggie Chapman

Okay. Thank you. I accept what you say about the first part of my question. Can I explore the demonstrator capabilities for the supply chain a bit more? What else are you looking for? That is similar to the enabler question but specifically for the supply chain.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thank you, Stuart. That is interesting.

Liz, you spoke about the just economic transition, and you were clear that that is how you would phrase it. We have heard already this morning about the importance of having a shared understanding of what that means. I am curious as to why you use the term “just economic transition” rather than “just transition”. Why is that how you frame it?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Maggie Chapman

I am curious, because my understanding—many people’s understanding—of the phrase “just transition” recognises the vital importance of social infrastructure such as healthcare, social care and culture. I understand what you have said about the economy underpinning that, but those things underpin the people who drive the economy. We are almost trying to go deeper. I am curious to understand what you think your members’ roles are in ensuring that we do not just focus on the economic aspects but look at, as the Just Transition Commission urges us, the social infrastructure that underpins society, which is much bigger than just the economy.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Maggie Chapman

Okay, thanks. I know that the convener wants to make progress so I will stop there.

10:30  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2023 of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. The convener, Joe FitzPatrick, is unable to attend today, so I will convene in his absence. Kaukab Stewart is attending as a committee substitute, and I welcome her to the meeting.

The first item on the agenda is a declaration of interests. I ask Kaukab whether she has any relevant interests to declare.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Maggie Chapman

The second agenda item is to agree to take item 5, which is consideration of today’s evidence sessions, in private. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.