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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, members of the panel. Thank you for joining us and for your opening statements.

I want to explore in a bit more detail the use of hotel accommodation for asylum seekers. Thomas, you indicated that you felt that you were given more of an instruction than an invitation to accommodate asylum seekers in a hotel in your local authority area. Can you say a little bit about the experience that you have in dealing with Mears and the Home Office and about the challenges that you face in providing the necessary support or the challenges that you encounter in meeting the support gap that asylum seekers might have in hotels?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

That is very helpful. Your point about resourcing for the public and third sectors is well made.

My final question is for Susanne Millar and is about the situation in Glasgow. Obviously, you have decades of experience in a way that other local authorities do not, but with that experience comes the burden of having to deal with some of the more complex situations. Can you reflect on the tragedy at the Park Inn hotel and on whether, across the piece, we have learned the lessons that we needed to learn from that? What changes have not been made yet that we should look to make? What else do we need to think about to ensure that we do not see a repeat of that, or a similar incident, and that we are genuinely being trauma informed in our support for asylum seekers?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thanks for that, Bronagh. We have heard before that hotel accommodation is not at all conducive to trauma recovery, and it is important that you have highlighted that.

My final question for you is about TARA's relationship with Mears, as it is, I suppose, the hotel manager in Scotland. How have you found your relationship with Mears? In your regular engagement meetings, are you able to identify issues early on? Is Mears receptive to the kinds of requests that you make of it in relation to transferring particularly vulnerable people? How would you describe the relationship with Mears?

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thanks. That was really helpful, and it is good to have it fleshed out like that.

I have another question that is still focused on hotel use, but it is about how you engage with local communities on the ground, no matter whether a hotel has been newly identified or has been in use for asylum seekers for some time. What about the community relations and engagement work for which you have responsibility? Are there things that we need to think about, given the changes that could come in with the new legislation to how we engage with local communities where hotels are being used this way?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

Linked to that, just as hotels might be targeted by traffickers and people who want to exploit vulnerable asylum seekers, might they be targeted by far-right extremists, too? We have seen what happened in Erskine, for instance. Do you have concerns about that sort of thing arising from the prolonged and extended use of hotels?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thank you for that. You paint a pretty bleak picture. Are you concerned that as hotels become institutionalised and start to be used for long periods鈥攎onths, if not years鈥攖hat issue will be exacerbated in some areas?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thanks very much for that, Bronagh. It does.

My next questions are for Police Scotland. I am not sure whether Claire Dobson or Elaine Tomlinson will want to take them, but they are also about the partnership working and multi-agency engagement that Bronagh Andrew talked about and which you mentioned, too.

How is your engagement with Mears? What notice does it give you when hotels start to be used for asylum seekers? How would you describe your partnership working or your relationship with Mears?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

I can imagine. Thank you for the candour in your response. One of our challenges is getting that balance. We have already discussed the tensions between the different approaches to support from the various Governments, and the different layers involved, so hearing that is helpful. I will leave it there, as I am mindful of time.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

If you would, Elaine. I am particularly interested in hearing about the hotel connection and the information that you need in that respect.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

May I explore that point a little more? In our evidence gathering in previous weeks, we have heard about the relationship that councils have to have with the third sector and about the support and other things鈥攊t is not just about support; it is about having things to do鈥攖hat you mentioned. Is there a challenge, particularly for local authorities that are not in the central belt and do not have the same access to the broader ecology of support and activities as those in the central belt do? Is there something particular there that we need to be thinking about when we have Scotland-wide dispersal systems?