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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish Government Policy Priorities (Wellbeing Economy, Fair Work and Energy)

Meeting date: 10 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thanks for that. One of the challenges with that is how, when we have city region deals, community wealth building and all those aspects that we try to fit together, we can retain economic development coherence and, within that, policy coherence. It is perfectly possible to see a situation in which we have alignment around a regional economic partnership that actually jeopardises some of the community wealth building agenda or priorities that elements within that community or region might have. How are you assessing that overall coherence across all the different economic development opportunities and agendas?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 10 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thanks for that. I appreciate what you said about our having achieved significant changes in recent years. However, we know from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report that the pace of change that we will need to achieve in the coming 15 to 20 years is actually even greater than the pace of change that we have seen to date, given the climate emergency that we face.

I want to ask about the investment that, as you have said, you are certain that we can continue to attract. Is it your intention鈥攐r the UK Government鈥檚 intention鈥攖o ensure that that investment comes with conditions attached with regard to how it is delivered in Scotland? We have heard from people in and around Grangemouth that previous energy transitions have not been as just as they might have been and that, as a consequence, there have been widening inequalities. Indeed, we are seeing that elsewhere in Scotland. How do you intend to ensure that the investments that we get drive a just transition and do not create or enable the development of two-speed or multiple-speed economies such as those that we have seen in the north-east of Scotland?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 10 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

How will you ensure that people and communities do not get left behind? Some people and communities have been left behind in previous energy transitions.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 10 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

We have had some discussion about the different timescales and the pace of change required. It is clear that, globally, transition is taking place at a fast pace, with competition for skills, labour, finance and investment. The United States and the European Union have announced significant investment in renewable energy, and you have outlined that that is a key sector for Scotland and the wider UK economy. How can we ensure that projects, companies and workers in Scotland benefit from the investment that will be available? How can we ensure that we are best able to compete and have access to equivalent financial incentives, particularly for renewables?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish Government Policy Priorities (Wellbeing Economy, Fair Work and Energy)

Meeting date: 10 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

In some ways, the issue is linked to or extends the questions that Colin Smyth asked about how we ensure that benefits from investments such as ScotWind are retained in communities. We do not want to recreate a two-speed economy such as we have seen in different places in previous times. Key to that is a clear place-making agenda, and we have seen that in work that this committee has done in previous inquiries. However, how does place making fit into that regional economic development agenda, and where are the barriers to achieving that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish Government Policy Priorities (Wellbeing Economy, Fair Work and Energy)

Meeting date: 10 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, cabinet secretary. Thank you for joining us this morning and for what you have already said.

Like Colin Smyth, I want to focus my questions on two different areas across your portfolio, the first being fair work. The Scottish Government has pledged to make Scotland a fair work nation by 2025. I am curious to know how you see that being measured, where you think the challenges are and how things are going, given that 2025 is less than two years away.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish Government Policy Priorities (Wellbeing Economy, Fair Work and Energy)

Meeting date: 10 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thank you for that, but I am wondering where you see the challenges. It is all very well to say that we will be a fair work nation by 2025, but what will that actually look like? Do you have any concerns about areas in which we will not be able to realise that ambition?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish Government Policy Priorities (Wellbeing Economy, Fair Work and Energy)

Meeting date: 10 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

Are you confident that we have the tools and structures in place to do that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 10 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

I will ask a very brief question. Minister, how do you intend to ensure that any investment that we get is conditional on it being key to delivering a just transition so that we do not get a two-speed economy, as we have seen in previous situations鈥攕uch as in the north-east of Scotland? A just transition for communities is very important.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish Government Policy Priorities (Wellbeing Economy, Fair Work and Energy)

Meeting date: 10 May 2023

Maggie Chapman

One of my areas of interest is pushing conditionality as far as possible. We know that employment law is reserved, so there are limits to that. Are we pushing fair work conditionality in public sector grants as far as we could? Where do you see progress still to be made in that space?