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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I will speak to amendment 364 first. A big issue across Scotland is that communities feel ignored and overruled when it comes to much of the electricity infrastructure that we are seeing pop up across the countryside. It is only right that we try to address that issue in the bill so that we allow communities to have a real say.

If, for example, a community wants a battery storage facility, and that would offer proper community benefits, such as jobs, and if the community embraces it or even wants part ownership of it, that should be welcomed and encouraged.

However, we need to address the situation of communities that are strongly against things that are happening in their areas. I think that that is the aim of the bill, so we should be listening to those communities, and that is what my amendment 364 aims to achieve. If there is a strong community objection to electricity infrastructure in an area, we should be listening to and taking on board those views.

It boils down to the issue that I have raised in some of the questions that I have been asking. Public interest and community interest are not always the same thing鈥攖here are often conflicts between them. Even in some of the public interest descriptions that have been laid before us today, conflicts can be seen. One that I can see is between food security and a just transition, as a lot of the time, good farmland is being turned over to use for solar panels and battery storage. That example highlights that there are often conflicts within the public interest definition that has been laid before us.

I will also talk to amendment 174, in the name of Mercedes Villalba.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Douglas Lumsden

That is not the intention, but however large or small a community group is, it should be listened to. I do not think that we could say that a group should be ignored because it is just a small community group鈥攕uch a group could be impacted the most. If developers could work with even those small communities better, I am sure that many of the issues that we see across Scotland would not be happening.

On amendment 174, in the name of Mercedes Villalba, I asked whether the fact that somebody was not resident in this country for tax purposes would rule them out of making a purchase. I was not clear about the answer to the intervention. That is probably a dangerous line to go down without clarification, and I do not feel that we have that clarity.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Douglas Lumsden

For example, we heard from Gresham House, where sites were managed as one but there were multiple owners within that one site. Will what you are bringing forward address that situation?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I will leave my comments on amendments 400 and 404 at that, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Will the cabinet secretary give way?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Does the cabinet secretary agree that the public interest and the community interest are not always the same thing? There is often a conflict between community interests and what might be considered to be the public interest. For example, with a wind farm, there might be conflict between the two. How do we address that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Will the member take an intervention?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I agree with a lot of what the deputy convener has said about urban Scotland, where much more needs to be done to get derelict sites out of being derelict and back into use. As we took evidence during the past few months, we never took evidence on urban Scotland and some of these issues, because they were not really part of the scope of the bill. Would it be right for us to open that up now, when we have not taken any evidence? In hindsight鈥攚e all have 20:20 hindsight鈥攚as it a mistake that those issues in urban Scotland were not part of the bill that was introduced?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I hear what Monica Lennon is saying. There is misinformation, we should do everything that we can to stamp it out and decisions should be based on evidence.

However, when it comes to some community groups being loud, a lot of them are loud because they are angry at what they see on their doorsteps and they do not feel that they are being listened to. We need to do more about that. If we can bring communities with us on our journey to net zero, that will be a win for us all. I do not feel that that is happening now, and that is why I lodged amendments in that regard.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Will the member take an intervention?