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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Hopefully I will be quick, convener.

I do not want to flog a dead horse, but I want to ask about the student loans situation. I am a new member, so this is all new to me, but have we seen this level of impairment in previous years or is it unique to this year?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

But we have seen this level of impairment in Scotland before.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Will that resource still be available in the years to come?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Just another couple of things—sorry, convener, I know that time is an issue.

Can you give us a bit more information on the £24 million reduction due to underspends in the young persons guarantee?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

To go back to the convener’s original question about where the extra money would come from, there is a significant saving to the Scottish Government from not having to pay those fees. Instead, it could increase the rate of the teaching grant per student to make up some of the shortfall without it having to cost the Government any more, because it does not have to pay for EU students.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I guess that there is a little flexibility because the numbers of EU students have reduced.

David Melhuish, I want to talk to you about one of my favourite topics in this committee: non-domestic rates. As you indicated in your submission, I also find it hard to believe that, in just four years, NDR will go up by 25 per cent. There will be a new tone date in one month’s time and revaluation will be a year after that. For NDR to rise by that amount, there are only a few options: either the NDR base, revaluation or the poundage rate will have to increase significantly. Where do you or your members think that the money will come from to pay for that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

A lot of businesses in the north-east are pinning their hopes on revaluation. It has been quite frustrating that that has been delayed for a couple of years.

Another aspect that you point to in your submission is the empty property relief. In the north-east, I have seen plenty of good commercial property being bulldozed to save on NDR. Would devolving that power to local authorities make things better or worse?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I guess that the risk would be too high for people to build speculative developments without knowing that they would have a guaranteed rental at the end.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Do you feel that it might be possible to demonstrate the effects of that approach to health spend, for example? I hate to use the term “ring fencing”, because we want to get away from that. Nonetheless, could you invest in health at the local government level and keep that investment separate so that it can be identified, in order that the Government can then track that through and see what the savings might be later on?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I go back to what the convener said about paying for somebody’s operation. Surely the best thing is for that person not to need the operation in the first place, and to invest in leisure facilities at the local government level so that people are healthier and there is less of an impact on the health service later. I know that it is difficult, but if there was a way of trying to demonstrate that, it would be easier for the Government to move some of that spend to a more preventative approach at the local government level. Anything that you could do on that would be really worth while.