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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Okay. That question might be for Sarah Watters as well. Will the review give us an idea of how funding should work between different organisations, or is it not going down to that sort of level?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

This is my final question. How could data sharing make an impact and remove costs from the overall public purse?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

I completely agree. We are talking about reform today, which is ideally to save costs, and a key element of that is early intervention and prevention. It seems to me that local government is at the heart of early intervention and prevention, but the problem that local government has is that, while you are saving money for the people, you do not actually get it back. For example, sports facilities will help to save money in the health budget later; libraries, economic development and education will help to tackle poverty; and working with communities will reduce the justice bill. If we are looking for reform, how does that money flow back into local government? That will help to reduce the overall Scottish budget. Even though it is not the local government budget, it is going to help.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Is it a case of some of the health budget or justice budget coming to local government because you are spending it on early prevention?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Is that data shared between different organisations, such as between Welfare Scotland, local authorities and health boards? Do all those people have access to the same data?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Thank you, convener鈥攊t is good to see you back. It was good that you brought up the local governance review. As you pointed out, it is a local governance, not a local government, review. I often bring up the review in committee and ask the Government about it, but I do not seem to get any answers on where it is and when we will see some output from it.

What is your understanding of the local governance review, and when do you think that we will be able to see something coming from it? For me, that is public sector reform鈥攊t is what we should be focusing on right now.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

All the examples that you gave are of bodies becoming more efficient in themselves and working better but still operating within their silo, although that might not be the best word to use. I am talking about how we get bodies to work better together across the board鈥攖hat includes, for example, getting local authorities to work better with health boards and integration joint boards. Will that have to be mandated in future?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Do you think that the bodies concerned will do that voluntarily or will it have to be mandated? That is the key thing that I am trying to understand.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Oh! Thank you, convener鈥攜ou took me by surprise.

Cabinet secretary, you mentioned earlier in response to questions from Liz Smith that the employment rate went down slightly. From what I can see, it went down by 1.8 percentage points, which is not a slight drop鈥攊t is a huge drop, in relative terms. What impact will that have on the tax net position that flows through? It looks as though the net position will be positive, but with a drop such as that, what changes might there be to the position?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

How will you address that economic inactivity?