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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Michael Marra

That is not what the college sector is telling me.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Michael Marra

Earlier, you gave some answers about council tax and the money that is being baselined into the budget for next year. Senior councillors across Scotland are telling me that their financial officers are telling them not to believe you. Is it a problem that trust has collapsed so much that people who are setting their budgets are having to make those assumptions?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Michael Marra

I will move on. Do you now know what the budget for further education is?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Michael Marra

Okay.

Obviously, the flexible workforce development fund is of huge concern to colleges and employers. Since you were last here, there has been an awful lot of coverage about it, and we have had people asking about it, too. What is your justification for cutting that area in preference to other areas?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Michael Marra

Moving on to higher education, I note that, since you published the budget, we have had the admission figures for international postgraduate students across Scotland, which show a very significant decline in big parts of that market. What impact is that going to have on the budgets of our higher education institutions?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Michael Marra

I am not sure that that is how it works, though.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Michael Marra

No—what happens is that ministers indicate what the cap is on the number of students who could be admitted. That is a ministerial decision—ministers speak to the Scottish Funding Council about it and a letter is sent. That is the issue of the number of students. As far as I am aware, the SFC is waiting for an instruction from ministers as to whether there will be less money per student or fewer students. Do we know whether ministers have given that instruction to the SFC? The issue is not a matter of negotiation with the universities; it is one for ministers and the SFC, which works for the ministers.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Michael Marra

Yes—absolutely. Wherever the evidence was given to Parliament, the issues about financial sustainability are still very relevant. The final example is that Kevin Northcott from Rossie Young People’s Trust said:

“Approximately 50 per cent of our current cohort of young people ... are cross-border placements.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 29 March 2023; c 11.]

Minister, in your wish to reduce the number of cross-border placements, the prevailing trend seems to be to do so to as close to zero as possible. That adds significant questions about the financial sustainability of that incredibly important sector.

I presume that, in the circumstances, our concern is not about the provision of the service for children in Scotland and from Scotland. The policy trajectory of removing—as much as possible—English young people from the system will result in institutions not being able to continue to operate. That should be a significant concern in relation to the policy direction that we are taking. I would appreciate any clarification from the minister on what she is going to do about the sector’s financial sustainability if her policy trajectory is to be adopted.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Michael Marra

I am happy to look further at the figures and discussions.

In closing, I turn to the amendments. I have listened to the minister’s case and I assume that she will press her amendment 112, which pre-empts my amendment 214 on the broader direction of travel. I am happy to meet her to discuss my other amendments. In that light, I do not intend to move my amendments.

I had hoped that the amendments would improve the clarity and operation of the system, which tends to be chaotic. The lack of capacity in the English system is part of a function of the chaos that I described at the start of the discussion.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Michael Marra

The Promise, as part of what is established in Scotland, is certainly part of the prevailing policy discourse that I am describing.

I move on to finances, which are closely attached to the cross-border issue. In the Finance and Public Administration Committee and this committee, the Parliament has heard evidence that our secure accommodation services are incredibly dependent on cross-border placements to keep the lights on. It is placements from England that allow those services to continue to operate. The Good Shepherd Centre said that Scotland has been turning to England “to ensure sustainability”. St Mary’s Kenmure said:

“Without that income subsidy, no service for Scottish children would exist.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 29 March 2023; c12.]