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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

Thank you, convener鈥擨 appreciate it.

When you are engaging in these considerations, there may well be a lot of media coverage, as there was around the Sheku Bayoh inquiry. That inquiry was about something that happened in Kirkcaldy on one afternoon, and affected around 20 people directly鈥攊t is, of course, incredibly serious and worthy of investigation. The Covid inquiry was huge in scope and affected the entire country. However, there is a one-size-fits-all approach to inquiries.

Will the problems in the Sheku Bayoh inquiry be a point of reflection that the Cabinet will discuss after the inquiry concludes, in order to be able to say why the system is or is not working? In that inquiry, the system clearly has not worked; we can talk about all the different ways in which it has collapsed and the problems that it has had, setting aside the case for the inquiry itself. Will the Government discuss that and try to reflect on it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

For the record, I begin by echoing Liz Smith鈥檚 comments due to my involvement in the Eljamel inquiry. In a similar way, I have presented my own evidence to the inquiry.

Given your statements today, Deputy First Minister, is the cost of 拢258.8 million too high?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

However, in the end, these are Government decisions. As much as we can talk about it, and you are right to highlight the very legitimate concerns of people externally making the case, in the end, it is the Government that decides to have an inquiry and not to use the alternative processes. Therefore, the issue is really not about ignorance on the part of the public; it is a decision that has been taken by the Government, and it appoints the person who leads the inquiry. These are Government decisions, are they not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

On your point about pace, we are five years on from the Covid inquiry, and two interim modules have been produced. You cannot really be satisfied with the pace of response if we are trying to learn lessons about a global pandemic, given that we might have another one in a month鈥檚 time.

The convener mentioned Covid inquiries elsewhere. The Covid inquiry in Australia was completed within two years, with a full set of recommendations. A pandemic could happen again, and we have already heard that 23,000 lives were lost during the Covid pandemic as a result of the suboptimal鈥攖o say the least鈥攔esponse from the Government. Surely the inquiry should happen an awful lot quicker so that we can learn lessons quickly. The system that we are using is not meeting the public need.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Michael Marra

That feels pretty fundamental to the operation of the policy. The bill is at stage 1 in its parliamentary process, but you think that a scheme could come forward that would allow for local operation. Would that not be a fundamental change to the way in which you, as Revenue Scotland, approached the issue in your work?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Michael Marra

There is probably a distinction to be made with regard to design: there is the design of the policy鈥攖hat is, what it actually does鈥攁nd then there is the design of your systems. It is worth clarifying that they are, in essence, two different things.

On the issue of timing, the legislative and policy development process for this levy feels very different to the process for the Scottish aggregates tax. I know that you have set out the reasons for some of that, but my point is that we, as a committee, were able to look at that tax and understand the mechanisms and its general impact, even though the rate had not yet been set. By the time that the committee had reached this stage of the process with that tax, it was pretty clear to us what we, as a country, were getting as a result of it.

This time, the process feels simultaneously very slow鈥攁fter all, we are eight and a half years on from Grenfell and the need to deal with this huge problem鈥攁nd incredibly rushed in the way that it has been pulled together at this point in the parliamentary session. Can you tell us about the contrast that you have found between the process of developing SAT and developing this tax?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Michael Marra

Do you anticipate that the advent of the levy funds will significantly accelerate that work?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Michael Marra

Mr Angus, could you repeat that into the microphone? I realise that you are giving advice to the minister on the hoof, but it would be good for us to hear it as well.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Michael Marra

But does that mean that there could be a risk of a lack of sensitivity to local circumstances? The evidence that we have had from house builders is that a one-size-fits-all approach across the country risks having an impact on very different housing markets鈥擡dinburgh versus the Highlands, for example. I understand your point about efficiency, but part of the trade-off will be greater sensitivity to local circumstances.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 November 2025

Michael Marra

Good afternoon, minister. The polluter-pays principle has been raised. Is the building safety levy a polluter-pays tax?