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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

But you cannot tell us how much big parts of the bill will cost.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

I am glad that your confidence has increased.

09:30  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

As do lawyers.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

Those systems are much more commonly used in commercial disputes in relation to contracts, negotiation and analysis. Is that right?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

I suppose that that is part of the issue with Dr Ireton’s position. I understand the tensions that arise in relation to the freedom that inquiries have, and in your evidence this morning, you have been a stout defender of the need for judges to be led by the evidence as it is presented—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

In your written evidence, you identified that you were restricted partly by your inability to command evidence, particularly from commercial firms, which would not provide you with such evidence. Would it have been better if the inquiry had had full statutory powers from the outset?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

Dr Ireton, you set out what one might call your inquiry taxonomy, when you talked about forensic, policy and truth-telling inquiries. Have you looked at the issues of commercial interests and what happens when a firm, or a set of organisations, refuses to give full evidence due to commercial interests and the need to protect their firm or organisation? Are statutory powers required for that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

Okay. My final question for you, Dr Ireton, is on the tension between the freedom that an inquiry has and public trust. The issue with an inquiry that has a more limited remit, particularly within your taxonomy, is how it relates to the views of victims, related parties and the public more generally. Are there other things that could be done to build public trust in a more limited form of inquiry?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

Okay.

As of January 2024, there were 170 civil servants working on the bill at a monthly cost to the taxpayer of approximately £1 million. Is that still the case?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Michael Marra

I will leave my questions there. However, as a genuine point, minister, although I consider myself to be pretty well versed in financial memorandums—I have higher-level degrees in economics and other areas of finance—there are big parts of this financial memorandum that I find difficult to understand, because we are not comparing the same things. We are not comparing apples with apples; there are different timescales and approaches. Would it not be better to start again with a proper bill and a proper costing, so that we could understand what it is meant to do?