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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

Turning to our colleague from the Scottish Building Federation, I am interested in issues pertaining to net zero and the training not just of young people鈥攐n whom we have focused in this discussion鈥攂ut of older, more experienced tradespeople and other people bringing skills to the labour market. Do you think that enough is being done, both by the industry and by the associated agencies, to support you to upskill and refresh the workforce, so that we can meet the challenges of higher building standards, different approaches and new technologies? Are we building capacity and reacting enough, as institutions, to help you to do that work?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

I have been speaking to representatives of colleges over the past couple of weeks, and they are telling me that they are struggling to retain students, due to the opportunities that emerge for well-paid jobs in your industry. When it comes to completing courses and ensuring that students have the qualifications to hand that allow them to work through a longer-term career, there is a drive on your side of the fence to get people into work鈥攁nd that is a great thing鈥攂ut are you working with your members to ensure that new recruits can complete those courses, get the credits and get the credentials that can provide a longer career?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

The point about the appropriate representation of business and employers in those groups should be included in that, as well. I am sure that we will touch on that later in our discussion of the evidence. That was particularly powerful evidence.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

The 鈥渞obust鈥 process has been mentioned a few times. Can you say a bit more about what that entails, so that we can have some confidence in the process? You mentioned evidence gathering.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

鈥攁nd I will come back to my substantive question. That is great.

I am heartened by Professor Logan鈥檚 comments. He gave a practical shopping list of things that could happen now, and there were lots of nodding heads, although he might not have been able to see them. That is the kind of thing that we want to hear. When Shirley-Anne Somerville was with us on 6 October, she told us that some meetings were happening, but it did not feel as if there was a practical list of things that were taking place.

We are two years on, I think, from the publication of the report that you authored, and I am detecting a certain frustration about the pace of change in bringing the organisations together. Is there more that we could usefully do on the issue to push the pace?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

It is more broadly about the system and the skills. We will park the gender issue just now, as we have covered it quite comprehensively so far.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

I will direct my questions to Dr Coull. We have been talking about female leaders in the sector, and we have one here, so I want to ask her some questions.

My understanding of your role is that you are perhaps at the interface of employers鈥攖hrough preparing graduates to go to work with companies鈥攁nd consumers of the exam system and people coming through to you. What are your reflections on the previous discussion on what is coming out of our schools? Are people being prepared for what you need to do to get them into those employment opportunities?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

I will ask a supplementary question on this, if that is okay, convener鈥

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

I came into the discussion wanting to listen to the minister and her officials with a fairly open mind about the matter. I have heard that there are strong safeguards and a robust process across agencies to ensure that the public are protected. The practical effect of the change seems to be that we go through the same process but in a timeous manner that enables people to have a chance in their lives if the process comes to a positive conclusion for them.

I am also satisfied that the numbers of people on the barred list who are making applications for removal are almost vanishingly small. Therefore, there should be sufficient capacity to ensure that the processes are robust.

I have listened to the arguments and am convinced that the regulations take a reasonable step with a robust process to protect the public.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Michael Marra

My first questions, for Leon Thompson, are about the skills gaps and the impact of the pandemic. Plenty of us have seen signs in the windows of pubs and cafes saying that they are looking for staff, and signs on some pubs and shops saying that they cannot open because they do not have enough staff.

Do you feel that this is a short-term shock to our labour supply that is particularly acute? You have talked about work being done for the long term, but let us leave that to the side for the moment. It is good to hear about the good partnership working across the different areas, but I am particularly keen to see what we can do in the short term to try to help industry address these issues.