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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

So, you admit that that was an error and that it should not have happened.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

I am trying to get to the overall approach that you have taken to the budget, in combination with the Cabinet and the First Minister, and I suppose that what this points to is that it feels like a paper exercise. Over the past three years, you have been setting a budget that contains some known false assumptions, waiting until the middle of the year and hoping that something comes along to bail you out. Would that be a fair characterisation?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

It is essentially what the SFC鈥檚 work on sustainability is pointing to as well.

Okay. I will leave that there and ask about higher education. Where in your risk register does the exposure of the higher education or university sector to international volatility sit?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

I am not talking about an institution; I am talking about the sector.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

Are there on-going discussions about the sector-wide issue?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

But, at that point, the OBR was projecting a far higher figure than 3 per cent. The Scottish Fiscal Commission projected 4.5 per cent, because the Scottish Government refused to provide it with the public sector pay policy. After the committee put pressure on the Government to do so, it eventually published the public sector pay policy in May last year, and that showed that there was an assumption of 3 per cent. Was that assumption of 3 per cent not completely unrealistic?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

It is useful to have that comment.

Since then, there has been some evidence that, beyond its being seen as unrealistic now, it was known to be unrealistic at the time, because the external environment made that clear. One of the cabinet secretaries, in evidence to the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee on 14 January, talked about conversations being had in Cabinet about the challenges around public sector pay and their being recognised. Why would you, as the chief financial officer for the Scottish Government, believe that a public pay policy of 3 per cent鈥攁 policy whose bandwidth amounts to over 50 per cent of the entire 拢60 billion-odd budget鈥攚as a reasonable assumption at that point?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

Would you say that the risk is high?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

And has it increased in recent years?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Michael Marra

My final question is about a separate issue that you mentioned. On Ferguson Marine, did you advise ministers that a direct award of the small vessel replacement programme to a Scottish yard would not be legal?