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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Michael Marra

And not on the Strang recommendations.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Michael Marra

Is that the intention, though?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Michael Marra

They are not doing that.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Michael Marra

Okay—I appreciate that. I suppose, Auditor General, that I am just trying to get you to say on the record that this plan should be published with the costings and a timeline for the delivery of single-site provision so that the board can scrutinise it and the public can see it.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Michael Marra

Thank you for your tolerance.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Michael Marra

But surely there has to be consistency. Rachel Browne, have you seen in your examination of the issue evidence that the board has asked for, and is seeing, reports setting out progress against the 51 recommendations, or is the reporting against a whole system change programme that might represent some of them but not others and which includes things of different scope? Have we lost focus on the outcomes of the Strang report over the past six years?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Michael Marra

So, one of the responses of the new leadership team, which you have said is bringing in this different expertise, was to downgrade the scope of the programme. Part of its response to the crisis was to say, “Actually, we need to narrow the focus.”

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Michael Marra

Convener, I thank you and the committee for your forbearance and allowing me time to ask questions, and I thank the Auditor General for what is, I hope, a very useful report. You have highlighted, rightly, that there have already been an awful lot of reports from various sources.

To start with, I want to follow on from Colin Beattie and ask about delayed discharge. You have said that things are taking too long and that there is no clear plan in place. Ryan Caswell, a constituent of mine, has been a delayed-discharge patient for five years and 10 months in completely inappropriate settings. I have raised his case again and again and again and again, but there seems to be no progress in getting him out of that inappropriate setting and into another situation.

My question, then, is this: is the structure limiting progress? You have touched a little bit on the interaction between the health board and the IJBs. In the research that you have done and the work you have looked at, is the relationship between the IJBs and the health board just too intractable to deliver an outcome and make the change?

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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Michael Marra

On 2 May, I asked the board when it will next examine the business case and associated costings for the move, and it has still not provided any indication of when it will do so. Has Rachel Browne or Eva Thomas-Tudo seen in their work any evidence that the board has looked at a revised plan setting out the costings for, and the impact of, such a move?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Michael Marra

I suppose that what I am asking—