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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Michael Marra

In your letter to the committee, you are clear that

鈥渇unding models based on the acceptance of cross-border children cannot be sustained, and that Scotland must do all it can to prevent the monetisation of the care of our children.鈥

You have confirmed that. That is a question for both the UK Government, in terms of its actions to provide appropriate care in England, and the Scottish Government in ensuring the security and viability of facilities in Scotland, whether that is based on Scottish children alone, a reduced number of Scottish children or otherwise.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Michael Marra

I appreciate that confirmation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Michael Marra

Do the other witnesses have specific comments about the pandemic?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Michael Marra

It does鈥攁nd I appreciate that.

It seems to me that there is some level of conflict between the different outcomes, with the sheer push to increase numbers of hours and the question whether we are providing education or childminding.

I also have a question about the impact of the pandemic, but I am not sure whether you want me to proceed with that now, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Michael Marra

I will put roughly the same question to Matthew Sweeney. In COSLA鈥檚 view, is the policy about childcare or about education?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Michael Marra

I suppose that part of the issue is the need to think about the unintended consequences. If we are not setting clear parameters for what we hope to achieve鈥攖here is a broad range of things that we need to achieve鈥攁nd we are not measuring our achievements, other than the input targets, that is a problem.

I was interested in the evidence, both written and verbal, that we received from the Scottish Childminding Association, which described the devastation of the childminder service: 1,400 businesses have gone and 8,000 places have gone. That is reflected in the experience of some of my constituents, who have told me that they recognise that that policy is in place but that they still cannot access the wraparound childcare that would allow them to go to work. The flexibility is not available through local authority services or other forms of childcare. Childminders would normally be part of that.

Graeme McAlister, do you see the collapse in the childminder sector as a direct consequence of the implementation of the policy? Is that what you were alluding to earlier?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Michael Marra

Yes. Proceed, and we will see how we go.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Michael Marra

No, I am afraid we cannot hear him.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Michael Marra

I appreciate that. I also recognise that that might be challenging in and of itself. My question was not about whether it would be helpful鈥

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Michael Marra

I will keep this reasonably brief. In their observations on the work that has been done under the policy in the past couple of years, most people have touched on the issue that I will raise. I have heard reports鈥攁ctually, it goes beyond reports鈥攐f nursery closures in my constituency. I am being told that that is because of a change in behaviour by parents, who are perhaps accessing childcare in different ways and making different decisions because their working patterns have changed.

I know that work was undertaken more than a year ago on the sector鈥檚 financial health. Does that work need to be refreshed? Do you have concerns about the sector鈥檚 health across Scotland? I want to be reasonably specific that I am talking about coming out of the other side of the pandemic, because we have explored in depth the issues that relate to the unexpected consequences and other effects of the policy. What is the sector鈥檚 general health?