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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 September 2022

Michael Marra

That is useful and specific.

I have a question on the widening access agenda, which connects to Sue Macfarlane鈥檚 comment about how we measure success. My understanding is that the widening access agenda is judged by inputs鈥攊n essence, the number of students who are recruited rather than those who complete. Would we have been better talking about the number of those who complete, at least in addition to the number who are recruited?

I have talked about non-completion sitting at 27 per cent but, for students in the widening access cohorts鈥攖hose from the lowest SIMD areas鈥攖hat soars to 36 per cent. Collectively, we understand some of the reasons for, and challenges around, that situation but, on how we understand success, would reporting on completion figures for the widening access cohorts be an appropriate metric to add?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 September 2022

Michael Marra

I thank everyone for today鈥檚 evidence so far, which has been pretty concerning but has provided us with a lot of clarity on some of the impacts. It has been very useful.

I will touch on research on completion rates, which has been presented to us by our colleagues from the Scottish Parliament information centre. Before the pandemic, non-completion of courses was around 24 per cent but, post-pandemic, that has risen to 28 per cent. What is the sector doing to deal with that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 September 2022

Michael Marra

Angela, is it a yes or a no from you?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 September 2022

Michael Marra

Is it your expectation that the documents that you are producing, critical as they are, will inform the reform process that the SFC is undertaking?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 September 2022

Michael Marra

I think that we hear that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 September 2022

Michael Marra

I want to go back to the statement of intent. It strikes me that that is in response to the review of coherent provision and sustainability in the tertiary sector, but a plethora of other documents have been produced and a plethora of suggestions have been made in recent years. Have any of the four of you been involved in discussions about what the statement of intent might include?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 September 2022

Michael Marra

If I might interrupt鈥擨 am sorry, Joanna鈥擨 am referring to the results from this year, which are relevant to the operating conditions. Is there an indication that there is any form of resource, or expectation of support, for the cohort that is leaving school this year, who have just received their grades and are coming into college, starting this week or last week? Are you making up for their loss of learning? Is that being quantified or measured by the SFC? Is it appreciated that the SQA expects you to do that work? Is there no such indication?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 September 2022

Michael Marra

Ann, do you have any comments on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 September 2022

Michael Marra

That would be a no. That is useful and interesting.

It is my understanding that a group of in excess of 20 civil servants is working on that in St Andrew鈥檚 house or some Scottish Government office somewhere, but there is also another group of civil servants in the Scottish Funding Council that is working on the same issue to try to produce something. You are all leaders, and you all bring experience to the table. Do you have any insight into the process that those civil servants might be following or into how the Government is making those strategic decisions?

I see that the answer is no. That is quite concerning.

Going back to the previous panel, we heard from the principal of Glasgow Kelvin College pretty concerning evidence, to say the least鈥攊n fact, I thought that it was quite devastating evidence鈥攖hat he was projecting the loss of a quarter of his workforce as a result of the cuts that are being brought in. Have you had the opportunity to feed those kinds of headwinds鈥攊f I can use that euphemism鈥攊nto the process? Have you had the opportunity to input those kinds of issues into the process?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 September 2022

Michael Marra

A yes or a no would be useful.